What if I said.

skysidhe · 04-13-2008, 08:12 PM

All you people from small rural areas, bitter about imigrants cling to your religion and your guns and your antipathy.

Is it true? Discuss:

classicman · 04-13-2008, 08:18 PM

Perhaps.... What do you think?

jinx · 04-13-2008, 08:22 PM

I don't understand the question. And could you clarify; legal or illegal immigrants?

skysidhe · 04-13-2008, 08:24 PM

NO. I think people have their religion and their guns in exercise of their rights first. Then it's steeped in geographic culture and should not be regarded as a cultural anomoly as I think the Rev. Wrights comments were.

skysidhe · 04-13-2008, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jinx

I don't understand the question. And could you clarify; legal or illegal immigrants?

I don't know. I couldn't find an exact quote of Obama's statement.

jinx · 04-13-2008, 08:31 PM

Oh. Man, I keep flip-flopping on Obama..... I jut don't know....

Trilby · 04-13-2008, 08:39 PM

i'm an Ohioan, no guns ( I hate guns) am pagan, believe in the goodness of the Universe, love Mexican wokers and think the country needs them and their pilgrim-like work ethic, and family values. Bring them on.

I also believe in socialized medicine. and free nachos.

the only people I have a prob with are those gd socialists like the unutterably compassionate DanaC. wink. I have had probs with Dana, but I have come to see her POV and to TRY to embrace her total love of mankind---no matter how slimey they are~

to explain: Dana loves more than I do. I'm ok with that.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-13-2008, 08:44 PM

Quote:

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Undertoad · 04-13-2008, 08:45 PM

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

jinx · 04-13-2008, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianna

to explain: Dana loves more than I do.

That's one way to look at it, but I wouldn't agree.

skysidhe · 04-13-2008, 09:00 PM

Do carry on. I have to take a nap before work. I'm not skipping out on ya

thnaks ut and bruce for the source quote

Undertoad · 04-13-2008, 09:07 PM

The statement was made at a San Francisco big big money fund-raiser. It's probably what they expected to hear.

Half of all dwellars are in rural Pennsylvania, or have family and friends there in spades. Here's the deal.

Pennsylvania small town provincialism didn't start 25 years ago. It started as soon as the society became mobile. People interested in constant change, creativity and exploration started moving to the urban areas.

Obama's real gaffe here is that his statement is the entire opposite of what his campaign has been so far. It's negative, when his campaign has been all about the positive. It's divisive when the campaign has been about unity.

Most of all, it's wrong. The differences here aren't easily explained by frustration or jobs or promises. They're just different schools of thought.

One of my own recent themes in life has been strenuously avoiding characterizing those who have different points of view as "stupid", or "broken", or "bitter", or even "wrong", because our harsh divides are too harsh now and somehow we must resolve our differences and stop being assholes. So this one hurts a little.

classicman · 04-13-2008, 09:15 PM

Wow! Very well put UT... especially

Quote:

One of my own recent themes in life has been strenuously avoiding characterizing those who have different points of view as "stupid", or "broken", or "bitter", or even "wrong", because our harsh divides are too harsh now and somehow we must resolve our differences and stop being assholes.

SteveDallas · 04-13-2008, 10:20 PM

My family in rural NC is damn well bitter. And so am I.

Saying they're bitter is less offensive than pretending nothing is wrong.

skysidhe · 04-14-2008, 12:45 AM

Being bitter isn't the original reason for owning a gun or getting a religion.

04-13-2008, 08:12 PM	#1
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	What if I said. All you people from small rural areas, bitter about imigrants cling to your religion and your guns and your antipathy. Is it true? Discuss:

04-13-2008, 08:18 PM	#2
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Perhaps.... What do you think? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

04-13-2008, 08:22 PM	#3
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	I don't understand the question. And could you clarify; legal or illegal immigrants? __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

04-13-2008, 08:31 PM	#6
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Oh. Man, I keep flip-flopping on Obama..... I jut don't know.... __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

04-13-2008, 08:39 PM	#7
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	i'm an Ohioan, no guns ( I hate guns) am pagan, believe in the goodness of the Universe, love Mexican wokers and think the country needs them and their pilgrim-like work ethic, and family values. Bring them on. I also believe in socialized medicine. and free nachos. the only people I have a prob with are those gd socialists like the unutterably compassionate DanaC. wink. I have had probs with Dana, but I have come to see her POV and to TRY to embrace her total love of mankind---no matter how slimey they are~ to explain: Dana loves more than I do. I'm ok with that. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

04-13-2008, 08:24 PM	#4
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	NO. I think people have their religion and their guns in exercise of their rights first. Then it's steeped in geographic culture and should not be regarded as a cultural anomoly as I think the Rev. Wrights comments were.

04-13-2008, 08:45 PM	#9
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

04-13-2008, 09:00 PM	#11
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	Do carry on. I have to take a nap before work. I'm not skipping out on ya thnaks ut and bruce for the source quote

04-13-2008, 09:07 PM	#12
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The statement was made at a San Francisco big big money fund-raiser. It's probably what they expected to hear. Half of all dwellars are in rural Pennsylvania, or have family and friends there in spades. Here's the deal. Pennsylvania small town provincialism didn't start 25 years ago. It started as soon as the society became mobile. People interested in constant change, creativity and exploration started moving to the urban areas. Obama's real gaffe here is that his statement is the entire opposite of what his campaign has been so far. It's negative, when his campaign has been all about the positive. It's divisive when the campaign has been about unity. Most of all, it's wrong. The differences here aren't easily explained by frustration or jobs or promises. They're just different schools of thought. One of my own recent themes in life has been strenuously avoiding characterizing those who have different points of view as "stupid", or "broken", or "bitter", or even "wrong", because our harsh divides are too harsh now and somehow we must resolve our differences and stop being assholes. So this one hurts a little.

04-13-2008, 10:20 PM	#14
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	My family in rural NC is damn well bitter. And so am I. Saying they're bitter is less offensive than pretending nothing is wrong.

04-14-2008, 12:45 AM	#15
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	Being bitter isn't the original reason for owning a gun or getting a religion.

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