Carter: America tortures - Page 6

Griff · 10-17-2007, 06:22 PM

What caused Kitsune to hate America?

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-17-2007, 11:08 PM

I'm not going to tell you he does; just that the antidemocracy oids do this all the time, and you know how I feel about them. I thank Kits for clarifying; this is good. However, I don't see any necessity at all for such quotemarking -- I never do it wrt the war.

Aliantha, tone also matters in inquiry -- it can come off throroughly and wrongly rhetorical.

I did say I can point you to some things to look at. This guy Barnett is one busy li'l blogger, and his site seems a pretty good introduction to what he's all about. I can't expect everyone to have read his books but I will say they are worth the reading. I'm only certain two Cellar Dwellars have read either of Barnett's books: myself and tw -- who's had less of substance to say on them than I have, and I haven't said much.

Thomas P.M. Barnett -- what I've seen of this guy's works leaves me impressed and fascinated.

Flint · 10-17-2007, 11:13 PM

Somebody has a crush on Thomas P. M. Barnett!

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-17-2007, 11:40 PM

I can spare you a big wet kiss too, Flint! :p

dar512 · 10-23-2007, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

So how many people here pontificating want us to win and al-Q to lose? Let's see those hands.

I think we can find a way to keep America safe and not have to give up our honor.

10-23-2007, 10:37 PM

I want to win, but not at all costs or with any tactic.
That is not winning.
We cannot win in Iraq, we invaded a nation that was not a threat just to steal their oil.
If we leave them with all of their natural resources in their hands... that alone is as close as we can hope to come to victory.

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-24-2007, 12:31 AM

Rkzen, how is it that you've simply never noticed that leaving "them with all of their natural resources in their hands" is one of our policy goals, from which we've simply never swerved? Look at where the "steal their oil" idea comes from: the lunatic fringe, not the policymakers. Are you sure you should buy the product of the fever-swamps?

Wanting friendlies, not unfriendlies in control of major petroleum reserves is not "stealing their oil."

I've understood this from the beginning in April '03. How do you explain not getting it?

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-24-2007, 12:34 AM

We have an honorless, bigoted enemy, do we not, dar? Where can you find dishonor in stymieing them, then? I cannot, and I have keen vision and no blinkers.

10-24-2007, 12:39 AM

They held elections as we wanted, we have no room to complain about whom they elected.

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-24-2007, 12:43 AM

I certainly have no grounds for complaint there.

10-24-2007, 12:53 AM

Then we can leave them to it.

dar512 · 10-24-2007, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

We have an honorless, bigoted enemy, do we not, dar?

As with any large number of people, I'm sure that some Iraqis are honorless. We don't know that any of the prisoners are among those. As a matter of fact, we don't know for sure that any of the prisoners are enemies, since they've never had a trial.

Even should it be true, lack of honor in my enemy does not require me to give up mine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Where can you find dishonor in stymieing them, then? I cannot, and I have keen vision and no blinkers.

You say 'stymie' when you mean 'torture'.

Kitsune · 10-24-2007, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dar512

You say 'stymie' when you mean 'torture'.

The preferred term under the new definition is "victory tickle".

DanaC · 10-24-2007, 06:11 PM

lol kitsune. That's very funny.

deadbeater · 10-24-2007, 07:45 PM

We lost our honor and dignity in conducting this goddamn war, UG and The Mercenary. Bush can't even applaud 'successes', such as the deaths of Saddam Hussein and his sons, especially since Saddam faced his death with relatively more dignity than Bush and the neocons did in conducting this war. That's how bad this war got for America, UG and Mercenary.

10-17-2007, 06:22 PM	#76
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	What caused Kitsune to hate America? __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

10-17-2007, 11:08 PM	#77
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	I'm not going to tell you he does; just that the antidemocracy oids do this all the time, and you know how I feel about them. I thank Kits for clarifying; this is good. However, I don't see any necessity at all for such quotemarking -- I never do it wrt the war. Aliantha, tone also matters in inquiry -- it can come off throroughly and wrongly rhetorical. I did say I can point you to some things to look at. This guy Barnett is one busy li'l blogger, and his site seems a pretty good introduction to what he's all about. I can't expect everyone to have read his books but I will say they are worth the reading. I'm only certain two Cellar Dwellars have read either of Barnett's books: myself and tw -- who's had less of substance to say on them than I have, and I haven't said much. Thomas P.M. Barnett -- what I've seen of this guy's works leaves me impressed and fascinated. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

10-17-2007, 11:13 PM	#78
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Somebody has a crush on Thomas P. M. Barnett! __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-17-2007, 11:40 PM	#79
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	I can spare you a big wet kiss too, Flint! :p __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

10-24-2007, 12:31 AM	#82
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Rkzen, how is it that you've simply never noticed that leaving "them with all of their natural resources in their hands" is one of our policy goals, from which we've simply never swerved? Look at where the "steal their oil" idea comes from: the lunatic fringe, not the policymakers. Are you sure you should buy the product of the fever-swamps? Wanting friendlies, not unfriendlies in control of major petroleum reserves is not "stealing their oil." I've understood this from the beginning in April '03. How do you explain not getting it? __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

10-23-2007, 10:37 PM	#81
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I want to win, but not at all costs or with any tactic. That is not winning. We cannot win in Iraq, we invaded a nation that was not a threat just to steal their oil. If we leave them with all of their natural resources in their hands... that alone is as close as we can hope to come to victory.

10-24-2007, 12:34 AM	#83
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	We have an honorless, bigoted enemy, do we not, dar? Where can you find dishonor in stymieing them, then? I cannot, and I have keen vision and no blinkers. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

10-24-2007, 12:39 AM	#84
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	They held elections as we wanted, we have no room to complain about whom they elected.

10-24-2007, 12:43 AM	#85
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	I certainly have no grounds for complaint there.

10-24-2007, 12:53 AM	#86
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Then we can leave them to it.

10-24-2007, 06:11 PM	#89
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	lol kitsune. That's very funny.

10-24-2007, 07:45 PM	#90
deadbeater Sir Post-A-Lot Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 439	We lost our honor and dignity in conducting this goddamn war, UG and The Mercenary. Bush can't even applaud 'successes', such as the deaths of Saddam Hussein and his sons, especially since Saddam faced his death with relatively more dignity than Bush and the neocons did in conducting this war. That's how bad this war got for America, UG and Mercenary.

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