Sanctuary

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Given their circumstances, they consider it worth the risk. There's a decent enough chance that they won't be jailed or deported, so it's not something they would "know" for sure.

If you were at the alter and he said, Sorry I'm late for the wedding but I'm a criminal and had to dodge the feds. Wouldn't you have some trepidation about starting a family, with the sword of Damocles hanging over your head?

Hopefully, the new immigration bill will pass, so a lot of this anxiety will be alleviated. Then they'll just have to worry about coming up with $5000 to pay the fine.

They also have to go home, learn English and wait in line to come back. Maybe the Churches that were so anxious to shield them will pay the $5k?

[bluecuracao]

The shit isn't a citizen. A citizen is a person.

That's real nice, comparing children to shit.

One of my best friends in school was the daughter of an undocumented immigrant from Mexico. She made the honor roll every year, and became a teacher after graduating from college. She's not "shit."

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

If you were at the alter and he said, Sorry I'm late for the wedding but I'm a criminal and had to dodge the feds. Wouldn't you have some trepidation about starting a family, with the sword of Damocles hanging over your head?

I don't understand the point of your scenario. U.S. citizens marry undocumented immigrants very often, for whatever personal reasons.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

They also have to go home, learn English and wait in line to come back. Maybe the Churches that were so anxious to shield them will pay the $5k?

Only the heads of households would have to do that. I wouldn't be surprised if the Churches helped people out with the fines.

[xoxoxoBruce]

She is also not my responsibility and I don't want her to be my problem or expense.

Until your 18, you ain't shit.

[bluecuracao]

She wasn't your responsibility, she was her mother's and her own. She wasn't anyone's "problem."

If you consider say, U.S. citizen kids' public education to be a "problem," that's too bad; you can't do anything about it unless you decide not to pay your taxes.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Then she's a moot point, because her mother took care of her.
That's what I want, the parents to be responsible for their children and not dump them on society.

[bluecuracao]

So, just so you could be mad about something, you made up this national crisis in your head, where vast numbers of undocumented immigrants are dumping their kids on society?

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Surely there must be systems in place for the children of illegal immigrants who are deported. I can't believe American citizens would just leave a child in the street to fend for itself.

I'm sure there are instances of older kids in their teens remaining here on their own, just as there are teens whose parents are citizens who live on their own. But I think most of the kids who stay here are either left with relatives, or put into foster care.

There are definitely not hordes of deported immigrants' children roaming the streets here.

[monster]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Then they'll just have to worry about coming up with $5000 to pay the fine.

hmmm.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

So, just so you could be mad about something, you made up this national crisis in your head, where vast numbers of undocumented immigrants are dumping their kids on society?

Now stop that.
I got from the article that started this, "particularly in the separation of children from their parents". My answer to that is take 'em with you until they are 18, or provide a trust fund to care for them so they are not dumped on the streets or anywhere else.

You and that other apologist for the criminals, were all up in arms about deporting the spawn, but had no solution what to do with the little buggers, except don't deport the criminals. That's not an acceptable solution.

[bluecuracao]

If the new bill is passed, that will be the official solution, acceptable to you or not. The punishment will be a fine, not deportation (if they are otherwise law-abiding).

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

I'm sure there are instances of older kids in their teens remaining here on their own, just as there are teens whose parents are citizens who live on their own.

You'll never convince me that is a desirable situation.

But I think most of the kids who stay here are either left with relatives, or put into foster care.

Who's paying for the foster care? Do you really believe the spawn are better off in foster care than with their families? That's just crazy talk.

There are definitely not hordes of deported immigrants' children roaming the streets here.

Nor did I say there were, yet. I'm saying nip it in the bud. An ounce of prevention and all that.

Oh, and guest workers have to be spayed or neutered.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

If the new bill is passed, that will be the official solution, acceptable to you or not. The punishment will be a fine, not deportation (if they are otherwise law-abiding).

You better read past the headline, in addition to the $5k, they also have to go home, learn English and wait in line to come back according to the news this evening.

[Aliantha]

Who's paying for the foster care? Do you really believe the spawn are better off in foster care than with their families? That's just crazy talk.

I don't think it's crazy. In many cases, kids living with foster families are better off than with their biological families, as evidenced by the foster care system in place for other 'citizens'.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

You better read past the headline, in addition to the $5k, they also have to go home, learn English and wait in line to come back according to the news this evening.

...after eight years, and only heads of households. And Chertoff stated that those who go through this process would not have to wait long to return.