A message from Radar - Page 2

xoxoxoBruce · 11-08-2006, 03:13 PM

Aw damnit, does that mean I'm not getting my cushy appointment?

Elspode · 11-08-2006, 03:14 PM

Don't let 'em get you down, Radar. I think it takes big cajones to be part of a grassroots movement (and I think that, by dint of its current rate of influence, that's what Libertarianism still is) and try to make an also-ran into a viable third party.

Keep at it. Someone needs to. Otherwise we're just admitting that the status quo will continue forever. I'd like to at least enjoy my fantasy politics for awhile, since it doesn't really hurt anyone.

Besides, the Libs *do* have influence. Our margin of victory here in the Senatorial race was slightly more than 1%. Toss the 2% that the Libertarian candidate got into that mix, and maybe it swings the other way? You never know.

Radar · 11-08-2006, 03:15 PM

People are becoming more and more accustomed to voting for third parties and are learning that their vote isn't wasted when they vote for third parties, but it IS wasted when they vote for either of the larger parties.

Serious Libertarian candidates are doing better and better. It's only a matter of time before we start getting elected to congress and the Senate and that will happen during my lifetime.

Flint · 11-08-2006, 03:17 PM

Right, the standard dialogue on whose vote is "wasted" is so skewed, it's 180 degrees wrong.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-08-2006, 03:21 PM

It's wasted if you're voting against something else and not for what the candidate you vote for actually stands for.

Griff · 11-08-2006, 03:23 PM

Well done Radar! The two majors are showing us nothing to vote for, only stuff to vote against.

Flint · 11-08-2006, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

It's wasted if you're voting against something else and not for what the candidate you vote for actually stands for.

Right, exactly the way Democrats vote against Republicans, and vice versa, in order to keep the "bad guys" out of office. This is perpetuated by the fact that we only have two choices. So, the solution cannot be: to keep voting for the same two choices.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-08-2006, 03:39 PM

I don't buy that Dems vote against Reps rather than for Dems and vise versa. You also leave out us Inds. :p

Flint · 11-08-2006, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I don't buy that Dems vote against Reps rather than for Dems and vise versa.

Really? You mean the tax-and-spend Liberals aren't going to take our guns away,
and the war-mongering Neo-Cons don't want to replace the Constitution with the Bible?

xoxoxoBruce · 11-08-2006, 03:44 PM

Did I say That?

Flint · 11-08-2006, 03:46 PM

No, you didn't say that.
And, I didn't say you did.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-08-2006, 03:52 PM

No, you just inferred I meant that because that the bullshit game you play.:p

Flint · 11-08-2006, 04:04 PM

No, I didn't infer that's what you meant (exactly the opposite, in fact). I'm sorry you misunderstood my comment.
Would you like me to explain what I meant, or are you content with telling me what I meant, and maybe calling me a few names?

xoxoxoBruce · 11-08-2006, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

Really? You mean the tax-and-spend Liberals aren't going to take our guns away,
and the war-mongering Neo-Cons don't want to replace the Constitution with the Bible?

That's what you wrote.

Flint · 11-08-2006, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I don't buy that Dems vote against Reps rather than for Dems and vise versa.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

Really? You mean the tax-and-spend Liberals aren't going to take our guns away,
and the war-mongering Neo-Cons don't want to replace the Constitution with the Bible?

So, I'll go ahead and explain... You said you don't believe that Ds and Rs vote "against" each other, and I jokingly replied with a list of ways that I think they do. I asked if you disagree with those observations. I'm really, really sorry that you misunderstood what I meant. Truly. Very sorry. Either you can believe me, or you can call me a liar. Your choice.

11-08-2006, 03:13 PM	#16
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Aw damnit, does that mean I'm not getting my cushy appointment? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-08-2006, 03:14 PM	#17
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Don't let 'em get you down, Radar. I think it takes big cajones to be part of a grassroots movement (and I think that, by dint of its current rate of influence, that's what Libertarianism still is) and try to make an also-ran into a viable third party. Keep at it. Someone needs to. Otherwise we're just admitting that the status quo will continue forever. I'd like to at least enjoy my fantasy politics for awhile, since it doesn't really hurt anyone. Besides, the Libs do have influence. Our margin of victory here in the Senatorial race was slightly more than 1%. Toss the 2% that the Libertarian candidate got into that mix, and maybe it swings the other way? You never know. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

11-08-2006, 03:15 PM	#18
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	People are becoming more and more accustomed to voting for third parties and are learning that their vote isn't wasted when they vote for third parties, but it IS wasted when they vote for either of the larger parties. Serious Libertarian candidates are doing better and better. It's only a matter of time before we start getting elected to congress and the Senate and that will happen during my lifetime. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

11-08-2006, 03:17 PM	#19
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Right, the standard dialogue on whose vote is "wasted" is so skewed, it's 180 degrees wrong. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-08-2006, 03:21 PM	#20
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	It's wasted if you're voting against something else and not for what the candidate you vote for actually stands for. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-08-2006, 03:23 PM	#21
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Well done Radar! The two majors are showing us nothing to vote for, only stuff to vote against. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

11-08-2006, 03:39 PM	#23
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I don't buy that Dems vote against Reps rather than for Dems and vise versa. You also leave out us Inds. :p __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-08-2006, 03:44 PM	#25
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Did I say That? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-08-2006, 03:46 PM	#26
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	No, you didn't say that. And, I didn't say you did. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-08-2006, 03:52 PM	#27
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	No, you just inferred I meant that because that the bullshit game you play.:p __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-08-2006, 04:04 PM	#28
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	No, I didn't infer that's what you meant (exactly the opposite, in fact). I'm sorry you misunderstood my comment. Would you like me to explain what I meant, or are you content with telling me what I meant, and maybe calling me a few names? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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