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Old 10-12-2006, 04:40 PM   #121
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That was nutty and contradictory.
Freaking out at teachers and administrators because their kids saw a tit kinda' does show that they are not Christians.
Christians are not busybodies.
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Old 10-12-2006, 05:40 PM   #122
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Christians very often are busybodies, and they very often use their Christianity to justify it.
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Old 10-12-2006, 06:58 PM   #123
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That was nutty and contradictory.
Which part? Are we done with civil discussion, and on to name-calling now?
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Old 10-12-2006, 07:05 PM   #124
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...Are we done with civil discussion, and on to name-calling now?
Would that be considered good Christian behavior?
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Old 10-12-2006, 09:07 PM   #125
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Christians very often are busybodies, and they very often use their Christianity to justify it.
The same can be said for every religion and also those that eschew it, but the sentence must start with SOME, in all cases.
Anyone claiming to belong to a religion or non-religious segment, that contains no assholes, is a fool, liar or both.

You're well aware the prejudice against lawyers is unfairly painting a large group with the broadest possible brush. Same, same.
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Old 10-13-2006, 10:30 AM   #126
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...the sentence must start with SOME...
Or, include qualifiers like "anecdotal", "probably", "possible", "I think", "to me", "appears", "in theory", or "often."
When you operate on the basis of "words having clear meanings" it allows you to take them "at face value."

The kind of language that begs to be substantiated includes statements of the absolute, like "every time."
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Old 10-13-2006, 05:22 PM   #127
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The same can be said for every religion and also those that eschew it, but the sentence must start with SOME, in all cases.
Anyone claiming to belong to a religion or non-religious segment, that contains no assholes, is a fool, liar or both.

You're well aware the prejudice against lawyers is unfairly painting a large group with the broadest possible brush. Same, same.
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Christians very often are busybodies, and they very often use their Christianity to justify it.
I read the sentence as:

It is very often (not always, approximately equal to "some"times) the case that (a given) Christians act like busybodies. When this happens, the justification for being a busybody is based on their ideas about Christianity.

Whatever. I'm tired.
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Old 10-13-2006, 07:50 PM   #128
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Christians very often are busybodies, and they very often use their Christianity to justify it.
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I read the sentence as:

It is very often (not always, approximately equal to "some"times) the case that (a given) Christians act like busybodies.
When this happens, the justification for being a busybody is based on their ideas about Christianity.
There really isn't any other way to read that sentence, without adding "extras" to "customize" the meaning.

Like this:
(all) Christians very often (in every case) are busybodies, and they very often (always) use their Christianity to justify it.

note: this is not my opinion, so please don't make me waste my time over the next 50 posts explaining and re-explaining this
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Old 10-14-2006, 09:54 AM   #129
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note: this is not my opinion, so please don't make me waste my time over the next 50 posts explaining and re-explaining this
Even though it was not your idea, you made two posts explaining/clarifying, then post a disclaimer? Jesus loves you.
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Old 10-14-2006, 09:03 PM   #130
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The same can be said for every religion and also those that eschew it, but the sentence must start with SOME, in all cases.
Anyone claiming to belong to a religion or non-religious segment, that contains no assholes, is a fool, liar or both.
I said "very often" twice, so adding "some" would have been overkill. I was resonding to someone making a sweeping claim, so your correction should probably be steered that way.
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You're well aware the prejudice against lawyers is unfairly painting a large group with the broadest possible brush.
Huh? I mean, I'm aware of that, I suppose, but I'm not a lawyer.
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Old 10-15-2006, 11:13 AM   #131
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I was resonding to someone making a sweeping claim, so your correction should probably be steered that way.
While "Christians are not busybodies" is an absolute generalization, it is a positive description of Christianity, and therefore okay.
It's only when someone says anything negative about Christianity that a problem arises. Not that this reveals a glaring bias or anything.
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Old 10-15-2006, 03:52 PM   #132
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When you say "Christians are not busybodies" you're making the same mistake. Some Christians are busybodies, annoyingly so. But it's not because they are Christians, it's because they're assholes. Even if they are trying to shove their flavor of religion down your throat, it's not because they are Christians. In that case I'd say not very good ones, but that's just my opinion.
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Old 10-15-2006, 04:05 PM   #133
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I said "very often" twice, so adding "some" would have been overkill. I was resonding to someone making a sweeping claim, so your correction should probably be steered that way.Huh? I mean, I'm aware of that, I suppose, but I'm not a lawyer.
I apologize if I misinterpreted your remark to mean Christians are busybodies and sometimes very much so.
The reason I'm pursuing this, is I see what's happening to the Muslims. They are being lumped in with the assholes in their midst, and their silence is damning them all.

I'm aware you're not a lawyer. I used that example because you're aware of the broad condemnation of lawyers as a group and you know it doesn't apply to all.
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Old 10-15-2006, 04:17 PM   #134
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well, that brings us full circle:

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You're drawing examples of antisocial behavior by radical Christians and saying that these people dictate the essence of Christianity, care to make the same generalizations with Ali-Q and all muslims? Of course not, muslims are protected within the Black Book of Political Correctness Laws but *thumbs through pages*... yep! Christians aint in here, have at em!
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Old 10-15-2006, 04:26 PM   #135
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You're steering. :p
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