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The future is unwritten
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Cost of Making Stuff
Speech by John Engler, head of the National Association of Manufacturers.
Now this guy is bias, that's his job, putting forth the manufacturers point of view. But he did present some interesting points. Quote:
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I keep reading about people doing stupid things and being rewarded with big bucks. Insurance Companies and Corporations settling to avoid litigation costs. I firmly believe workers getting hurt on the job should be taken care of but huge punative damages because somebody bought your chainsaw and cut their head off with it has got to stop. Once again, this speech was the manufacturers point of view but that doesn't invalidate their concerns. ![]()
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There is a C N N special on 'worst case' senario for an oil shortage beginning in 2009.
I don't think it will be all out chaos. Maybe controlled chaos like rationing. The world has been through rationing before. So what does your learnings say about alternate fuels and the cost for production? I didn't see any projections. I should have bought that electric motercycle instead of my last car just for this oil shortage reason but then I got a scary thought. Ok what if we had a shortage and like this CNN presentation it's like that movie Mad Max and I have to protect my cycle from transportation hungry marauders. :P |
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Read? I only know how to write.
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There are realities. Current reserves are being depleted faster than they can be replaced. The easy oil is long gone. For example, take an oil field outside of Bakersfield CA. Crappy oil that takes massive control systems and refining to recover. The price of oil was never cheaper in the entire history of mankind as it was in the 1990s. Now that prices are returning to normal, that CA oil is available. Great advantages created by computers and computer related technologies have been used to waste vast amounts of energy in very inefficient machines. Prices must climb steeply to recover expensive and previously unavailable oil. Meanwhile the largest expenses are not getting the stuff. The most expensive part is damage created by massive burning of the stuff AND other related expenses such are as thousands of dead and delimbed Americans every year. With a mindset that "it is our oil", then expect a severe economic downturn and other realities to restore sanity. One need only review history. Price of gas went from $1.90 in the late 1960s to about $3.10 in the first oil shock (all numbers in 2006 dollars). Americans kept buying gas guzzlers anyway. Also has happened today. Tahoe and Suburban sales are at record highs because price of gasoline is not yet high. I paid $0.90 per gallon in Jan 2002. Price has simply tripled in but four years AND still the sales of gas guzzlers increased. In the second 1970s oil shock, price of a gallon went to about $6.00 (2006 dollars). Only then did Americans finally decide that maybe we must innovate. Only then did we begin using technologies in 1980s that were available in WWII and ready for production during 1960s. There is no shortage of oil. And there is no viable alternative to petroleum based fuels. But costs must return to acceptable levels before America will actually 'feel' that energy has value. Today, based upon history, and by using numbers: gasoline is still cheap and must become expensive before we address that problem seriously. |
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