XXXXX Them to Hell! New Katrina Video

[busterb]

Well I see no one reads my post, when there's a cat fight going on lol. And I've been accused of having tunnel vision! Hello repeat after me KATINA, storm, fema.

BusterB, if you'll note, I did respond to your first comment, and your second one got posted about the same time as I posted mine, so I didn't see it until just now. I agree! Who needs all the flying fur? And, yes, I very much realize that it wasn't just the people of N.O. who suffered. There was just as much bad stuff that went down in other areas, such as your own, and you haven't gotten much help either.

[xoxoxoBruce]

The "poster children" pictures were taken in New Orleans because in the surrounding areas of devastation, there was nobody to take pictures of.
They were all evacuated or swept away.

[busterb]

Who needs all the flying fur?

Well Mari thanks. But it takes more than one for the fur to fly. Hey I read most post on the cellar and cull damn few. I hate Maggiel, because she had the guts to keep flying and I dropped out. I see folks here, that there only problem is how to spend their money or where to go next.I wish them well. My only regret is I didn't make it around the world. I need Singapore to Tehran. I left Singapore in what would have coldass winter in Moscow, so didn't go that way. Wish I had.

[tw]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

I can tell the difference between that level of discourse and chanting "mental midget".

Apparently not because you’re political perspective is far right of Pat Buchanan. You defend THE reason for problems rather than admit to reality and the facts. And these are facts - not some shrill cry. George Jr is a mental midget. By now, MaggieL, I would have thought you knew better. The person who identified a ‘mental midget' is the same person who accurately corrected you about WMDs and the 'Pearl Harboring' of Iraq. Accurate because technical facts rather than political rationalization was used. Yes, MaggieL, you must concede that the president who also does not read his memos and PDBs, who provides corporate welfare to airlines, steel companies and big agriculture, and who even keeps drug prices excessively high with government subsidies therefore can only be a mental midget. (this from someone who was also quite critical of Democrats.)

To view Katrina video tapes and not admit George Jr is a mental midget - one can only be a fringe political extremist, or completely naive. Which is it? A "small-l libertarian, verging on objectivist" would never conclude anything less from five years of George Jr mismanagement. The "Mission Accomplishment" declaration alone is enough to suspect George Jr does not have sufficient geo-military-political knowledge. That he did not know what countries border Israel causes you to think he is smart? Objectivist and yet outright deny reality? It is called a contradiction - mutually exclusive. But it explains why Pat Buchanan is a pinko lefty.

Did you read busterb's post before attacking marichko over something irrelevant? Facts that predict, "MaggieL eventually conceded that George Jr is a complete idiot". How long before you decide to address what busterb posted?

Originally Posted by busterb

This flappin thread has lasted for about 20 post and now is about peoples income. What I'd like to know! WTF are any of you going to do about things?
Do you stay on your elected offical's asses about things?

The answer starts by eliminating THE reason for these problems. The president is a mental midget. People died from that mismanagement. I don't see MaggieL providing any facts to prove otherwise. But somehow she just knows this could not be true. A "small-l libertarian, verging on objectivist" would never deny reality? In literally every crisis, this president could not make a decision; instead resorted to political rhetoric and incompetence. My god. Did you bother to notice every decision and every question this President asked in those video tapes? All NONE of them? Do you think his ten wasteful trips to New Orleans will fix things?

No wonder this president so fears Americans as to even wiretap without judicial approval. And now he wants to prosecute patriotic Americans who blew the whistle. But MaggieL somehow sees some intelligence inside this man. Please – fill the world with your wisdom rather than post emotional tirades about “shrill”. Yes, he is just smart enough to even lie, "Nobody expected the levees to be breached". Therefore he is a genius? Therefore busterb’s post is really a lie?

Meanwhile only a right wing fringe extremist would promote this propaganda -

Originally Posted by MaggieL

I think the reflex Bush-haters are making a lot of hay here by ignoring the difference between "overrun" and "breached".

No wonder FEMA is so chock full of lawyers and MBAs. No wonder top professional disaster control experts were removed in 2000. What a genius this president was! Only an extremist would argue some difference between overrun and breached. But then again, even Pat Buchanan is a lefty.

How many more people and science need we kill to the glory of this president? My god - after a $450,000 campaign contribution, even the Davis Besse nuclear reactor with a potential Three Mile Island problem and a hole through its 6" carbon steel containment building was permitted to operate for months. Does the word ‘corruption’ have meaning among the fringe right wing? If the 'Fed is us', then why did WE keep the USS Bataan out of New Orleans as people starved? MaggieL - how many more people must die before you finally conceded this president is a mental midget. "Stupid is what stupid does". Even Forest Gump would not argue an irrelevant difference between 'overrun verses breached' - as you do to defend a mental midget. Clearly you will not help busterb by identifying a 'mental midget' reason for failure. Your denial is not due to a shortage of facts. This president has set the record for incompetance.

Facts say repeatedly that George Jr is a mental midget. Those who protect this mental midget cannot be bothered to admit why this Katrina problem lingers - will even deny what is on the video tape. If you have a problem with ‘mental midget’ – well its called denial – similar to a drug addiction. Pat Buchanan does not seem to have your ‘reality’ problem; attempting critical thought. Meanwhile I have this bad problem of identifying reality long before you are willing disavow your political biases. Others here should be reminded of how you made sweeping declarations in defense of a mental midget decision to invade iraq due to 911 attacks. Somehow you see enemies hiding everywhere. You did so using promises from that president. So how badly did he deceive you with lies three plus years ago? And still he is intelligent? Well, so was the fiendish Dr. Moriarity. Is he also presidential material? Or is he too liberal?

Where is your list of facts that proves intelligence in this president? Why do you forget to post such facts? Something about a shortage? Did he do anything to fix FEMA? Where are all those professional disaster managers brought in to replace George Jr political appointees? Need we wait till hell freezes over before you find some facts? When do you cite a single proposal to fix what makes the Katrina disaster fester so? Is this tenth visit by Air Force One suppose to solve such problems? Why do you have emotional problems with an accurate description: "mental midget"? A fear of reality? MaggieL has nothing but political rhetoric to prove this president is competent. Try looking for facts from Pat Buchanan or from Bill Kristol of the National Review. Oh. They are too pinko lefty. Or is it called reality - the competance of top management- ie the response to Katrina.

And yes, George Jr today called for rebuilding in the Ninth Ward.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Bush says by hurricane season the dikes will be patched and September of next year they'll be up to designed strength....... which is, I believe, CAT-3.
So why not rebuild the 9th ward? I mean, what are the chances of a Cat-4 or 5 every hitting the area?

C'mon, TW. Don't beat around the Bush. You really don't like the guy, do you?

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by marichiko

My parents weren't among their number. The bridge was worthless to them.

Sorry to hear that. Since they were presumambly voting citizens at the time (as neither you nor I were), perhaps they should have protested the expenditure at the time if they opposed it. While you're asking them if they beleive they are owed a fraction of a cent, you should ask them why they didn't...you may find the answer enlightening.

Or not.

Originally Posted by marichiko

You should have the conviction of your principles to eat the money for postage.

That's so contradictory as to be comical.

I "should have the conviction of my principles" to pay for you transport of money to you that you believe I owe you to your mom? Perhaps you have forgotten what the principles are.

The penny is here, not far (on a transcontinental scale) from the bridge itself. Molon labe.

Originally Posted by MaggieL

Sorry to hear that. Since they were presumambly voting citizens at the time (as neither you nor I were), perhaps they should have protested the expenditure at the time if they opposed it. While you're asking them if they beleive they are owed a fraction of a cent, you should ask them why they didn't...you may find the answer enlightening.

Or not.
That's so contradictory as to be comical.

I "should have the conviction of my principles" to pay for you transport of money to you that you believe I owe you to your mom? Perhaps you have forgotten what the principles are.

The penny is here, not far (on a transcontinental scale) from the bridge itself. Molon labe.

Ms. Rand would have mailed back the penny she stole from a dear, little, white haired 86 year old lady in a heartbeat and spent the money on postage herself. Ms. Rand would also have been delighted to find herself with a very fiery and high spirited correspondent if she had, since my Mom is still sharp as a tack. Has this little tiff become absurd enough for you yet?

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

C'mon, TW. Don't beat around the Bush. You really don't like the guy, do you?

My first posts about George Jr suggested that he was a compassionate conservative. I also had doubts about Gore. Noted back then was how George Jr so often did legislation why working more often with Democrats. Then I started learning facts.

The China spy plane incident raised suspicions sharply. Others, I suspect, did not understand how George Jr (back then I attributed this to administration senior officials) all but wanted to get us into a shooting war with China. Destruction of the anti-ballistic missile treaty and militarizing space were decidedly factors that only a fool would propose. This because the anti-ballistic missile system does not work - and a long list of other reasons.

But George Jr did not stop. Statements from a Norwegian foreign minister warning that George Jr would destroy the Oslo Accords proved accurate.

Read the 911 Commission. No senior administration official - and that especially includes George Jr - did anything that day to protect Americans. MaggieL, who is still in denial, is encouraged - outrightly challenged - in her face - to state one thing that George Jr did to defend America that day.

The Indian Ocean Tsunami - five days later is when George Jr would even acknowledge that disaster. And only after other nations - our closest friends - would humiliate America for a 'no response'.

However, those who were still in denial - could not even bother to grasp reality - cannot deny Hurricane Katrina. Those video tapes prove that no one - not anything with minimal intelligence - could claim George Jr is a leader. He never even asked one question. He never once provided any direction. George Jr is incompetence extraordinaire - a mental midget.

George Jr demonstrated incompetence again during Hurricane Katrina. No one with minimal intelligence could deny these facts. No one.

But MaggieL - please tell us one thing George Jr did on 11 September to protect America? A smarter MaggieL will remain silent - because that is the answer.

[xoxoxoBruce]

MaggieL, who is still in denial, is encouraged - outrightly challenged - in her face - to state one thing that George Jr did to defend America that day.

Well, that's easy, he protected the President. What could be more important than that?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Tw, post #80 does not, so far as I can tell, offer a single scintilla of proof that you could fix the Katrina devastation zone any better than the man you repeatedly insist is some kind of mental midget.

When all you do is carp, carp, carp, even the students down there chipping away at Katrina debris on spring break put you in the shade, you unspeakable, daily-demonstrated, puckered, piebald, radially symmetrical asshole. You're friendless, too, because of the preceding. You have a birth-control personality and you waste 'trons. Even Philip K. Dick, with his monomaniac fury at Richard Nixon, wrote novels between times.

You disgust me, for you have zero integrity, and many hallucinations.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

You disgust me, for you have zero integrity, and many hallucinations.

Apparently the mental midget president's popularity is falling again. So he sent out his monkey to rally the troops - to again pervert reality.

Or maybe UG just went off his meds.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

When all you do is carp, carp, carp, even the students down there chipping away at Katrina debris on spring break put you in the shade, you unspeakable, daily-demonstrated, puckered, piebald, radially symmetrical asshole.

So, why don't you tell us how you really feel?

You're friendless, too, because of the preceding.

Actually, I don't see your name appearing in the "Cellarites I'd like to meet list", and TW had 9 votes the last time I looked. This is 3 more votes than Bruce, who, for some unfathomable reason, the women seem to find quite studly.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by marichiko

Ms. Rand would have mailed back the penny she stole from a dear, little, white haired 86 year old lady in a heartbeat and spent the money on postage herself.

Somehow I don't think I'll rely on you as an authority on "WWARD?"...I don't use hostile speculations on Rand's hypothetical behavior in a as a guide for my own. And if you really insist on overlooking the inherent contradiction in "because of your belief in objectivist principles, you should be glad to pay for delivering to me the money I beleive you owe me", I can't stop you.

Tacitly assuming that Rand would believe that the penny in question had been stolen *by her* is a nice bit of question-begging...but not terribly subtle.

Originally Posted by marichiko

Has this little tiff become absurd enough for you yet?

Why, are you planning to inject more absurdity? You needn't bother; I've been ignoring it for about a week now, and intend to do so for at least another week.

Also, tw can stop trying to bait me into paying attention to his ranting again; we've reached the usual equilibrium state where I ignore him and he claims victory as a result...this happens on a regular basis. Engaging tw is always a boring and pointless enterprise; one can only tremble in awe of the energy driving his obsessions.

Or yawn.

[tw]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

Also, tw can stop trying to bait me into paying attention to his ranting again; we've reached the usual equilibrium state where I ignore him and he claims victory as a result...this happens on a regular basis.

MaggieL - if you make fictional claims and if you make those claims without first learning facts (IOW parrot Rush Limbaugh), then you will lie to Cellar dwellers as happened in 2002/2003. I simply posted known facts and therefore posted what we all know now to be reality. None facts such as the lessons of history. You do remember those expressions - and how accurate they proved to be.

When a kid in school was lost, he then claimed he did not do homework because he was bored. Boredom is a protection or denial technique - when one needs an excuse - the child in the man. Meanwhile this president who even condones torture then lies about it. He maybe the most anti-American president in 100 years. Now there is a discussion that would mine interesting facts. Who lies more often and worse then George Jr? Even MaggieL cannot defend such presidential behavior. So she claims boredom - a defensive measure called denial.

If above is wrong, then show us. Post facts. If you don't have facts, well, next time rephrase a post as opinions - and not as George Jr proclamations. Parroting George Jr lies will only get you trouble.

Accurate facts are why some so hate reality as to call them rants: again denial. An informed MaggieL would be posting more examples of how this mentally challenged president lied again. Again: reality and facts. And done so often that one might even become bored - a defensive measure by people so patriotic as to ignore how America is being subverted.

"Mission Accomplished"? Or what MaggieL calls a rant. To deny reality, is she 'bored' by that expression? Reality under George Jr is so anti-American as to require denial - called boredom.

USS Bataan - yawn. More denial. Or as some George Jr supporters have said: they got what they deserved in New Orleans. Another way of defending a mental midget president.