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godwulf · 03-10-2004, 10:25 PM

Not to quibble, Undertoad, but...yeah, okay, maybe I am quibbling, but...I think a classic 'straw man' argument would be if one of those folk said, "The people who are in favor of gay marriage say it's okay for anybody to marry anybody else, even relatives, children and animals."

Maybe you've heard somebody say that - in which case you're absolutely right, that IS a 'straw man' argument. I'm just saying that the way I normally hear it phrased, it's definitely more into the 'slippery slope' variety of logical fallacy.

Hey, check this out.

http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/index.htm

Happy Monkey · 07-13-2004, 06:44 PM

SFGate

Quote:

But instead of a landmark debate, Republicans found themselves filibustering their own amendment to stop it from coming to the floor on Wednesday for a straight up-or-down vote -- out of fear that it might fail to get even 51 votes, much less the 67, or two-thirds majority, required to amend the Constitution.

wolf · 07-14-2004, 12:43 AM

I knew it wasn't long before this started ...

At least one set of newlyweds is hoping that their Marriage is declared invalid presumably because it will be cheaper than a real divorce ...

Happy Monkey · 07-14-2004, 06:51 AM

The dumbest quote in the article:

Quote:

"It's not surprising that these unnatural arrangements don't last," said Randy Thomasson, executive director of the Campaign for California Families, the group that sued San Francisco to block the licenses. "Despite popular belief, the real goal of homosexual relationships isn't commitment, it's self-gratification and sexual pleasure."

Undertoad · 07-14-2004, 07:20 AM

The gays will have a long way to go to match the het divorce rate.

Cyber Wolf · 07-14-2004, 07:30 AM

Plenty of opposing statements to gay marriage have been made talking about how if gay people are allowed to legally marry, it would undermine and/or destroy society as we know it, but not once have I heard any support to that claim. You might as well say legal gay marriage will cause another stock market crash and another Great Depression. Has anyone/Can anyone clarify exactly HOW we'll crumble into a state of anarchy and disorder if gay people are allowed marriage licenses?

Catwoman · 07-14-2004, 07:43 AM

Because, given legal approval, homosexuality will reach endemic proportions and soon EVERYONE will be gay, not have children, and ultimately lead to the downfall of the human race. Durh.

vsp · 07-14-2004, 07:43 AM

I'm convinced that the people of Pennsylvania could replace Rick Santorum in the Senate with a bottle of Tabasco sauce and come out ahead on the exchange.

Happy Monkey · 07-14-2004, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyber Wolf

Has anyone/Can anyone clarify exactly HOW we'll crumble into a state of anarchy and disorder if gay people are allowed marriage licenses?

No/no.

vsp · 07-14-2004, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

No/no.

I'd settle for an anti-gay-marriage argument that doesn't resolve down to one of two things:

1) Jeebus says it's wrong.
2) But it's ALWAYS been this way.

vsp · 07-14-2004, 12:36 PM

Rick Santorum is one of the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet.

"I would argue that the future of our country hangs in the balance because the future of marriage hangs in the balance," said Sen. Rick Santorum, a leader in the fight to approve the measure. "Isn't that the ultimate homeland security, standing up and defending marriage?"

Bill fails, 48Y - 50N

07-14-2004, 12:43 AM	#93
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I knew it wasn't long before this started ... At least one set of newlyweds is hoping that their Marriage is declared invalid presumably because it will be cheaper than a real divorce ... __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

07-14-2004, 07:30 AM	#96
Cyber Wolf As stable as a ring of PU-239 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: On a huge rock covered in water, highly advanced moss and 7 billion parasites Posts: 1,264	Plenty of opposing statements to gay marriage have been made talking about how if gay people are allowed to legally marry, it would undermine and/or destroy society as we know it, but not once have I heard any support to that claim. You might as well say legal gay marriage will cause another stock market crash and another Great Depression. Has anyone/Can anyone clarify exactly HOW we'll crumble into a state of anarchy and disorder if gay people are allowed marriage licenses? __________________ "I don't see what's so triffic about creating people as people and then getting' upset 'cos they act like people." ~Adam Young, Good Omens "I don't see why it matters what is written. Not when it's about people. It can always be crossed out." ~Adam Young, Good Omens

07-14-2004, 07:43 AM	#97
Catwoman stalking a Tom Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: on the edge of the english channel Posts: 1,000	Because, given legal approval, homosexuality will reach endemic proportions and soon EVERYONE will be gay, not have children, and ultimately lead to the downfall of the human race. Durh. __________________ I've decided I'm not going to have a signature anymore.

03-10-2004, 10:25 PM	#91
godwulf Coronation Incarnate Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 96	Not to quibble, Undertoad, but...yeah, okay, maybe I am quibbling, but...I think a classic 'straw man' argument would be if one of those folk said, "The people who are in favor of gay marriage say it's okay for anybody to marry anybody else, even relatives, children and animals." Maybe you've heard somebody say that - in which case you're absolutely right, that IS a 'straw man' argument. I'm just saying that the way I normally hear it phrased, it's definitely more into the 'slippery slope' variety of logical fallacy. Hey, check this out. http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/index.htm

07-14-2004, 07:20 AM	#95
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The gays will have a long way to go to match the het divorce rate.

07-14-2004, 07:43 AM	#98
vsp Syndrome of a Down Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: West Chester Posts: 1,367	I'm convinced that the people of Pennsylvania could replace Rick Santorum in the Senate with a bottle of Tabasco sauce and come out ahead on the exchange.

07-14-2004, 12:36 PM	#101
vsp Syndrome of a Down Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: West Chester Posts: 1,367	Rick Santorum is one of the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet. "I would argue that the future of our country hangs in the balance because the future of marriage hangs in the balance," said Sen. Rick Santorum, a leader in the fight to approve the measure. "Isn't that the ultimate homeland security, standing up and defending marriage?" Bill fails, 48Y - 50N

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