Quake/Tsunami

[monster]

anyway, 8% is a lot. You wouldn't sniff at an 8% payrise right now, and you'd be hella pissed if taxes increased 8%, no?

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by monster

Because all Brits come from London, right?

Some come from Britain or England, too.

[monster]

har.

[Pete Zicato]

Originally Posted by monster

Because all Brits come from London, right?

Couldn't remember what city you were from so I picked an arbitrary landmark. No offense intended. If you want to remind me, I can recheck with more accuracy.

[Pete Zicato]

Originally Posted by monster

anyway, 8% is a lot. You wouldn't sniff at an 8% payrise right now, and you'd be hella pissed if taxes increased 8%, no?

Well I wouldn't want to walk the difference, but it's just a couple of states.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Pete Zicato

Couldn't remember what city you were from so I picked an arbitrary landmark. No offense intended. If you want to remind me, I can recheck with more accuracy.

I tease you. UK is so small, you can't be 700 miles from London, so all is well. I'm from near Manc -I bet that makes less than 50 miles difference

[tw]

The earthquake was an event made irrelevant by what man properly constructed.

The tsunami was an event that man could not have stopped.

Multiple nuclear meltdown was an event created by men not doing their job to avert what was unnecessary.

[Undertoad]

Multiple nuclear meltdown was an event that didn't and won't happen.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Multiple nuclear meltdown was an event that didn't and won't happen.

There are already two fuel rod meltdowns. Maybe three.

Meanwhile, ABC News succinctly identifies the problem in Japan Nuclear Crisis: Workers Fail to Stabilize Plant; U.S. Water Pumps Might Be the Answer

One U.S. official told ABC News that they are urging the Japanese to get more people to help the workers inside the plant.

Want to see people in denial? One tank of spent nuclear fuel in reactor 4 needs 200 tons of water. So helicopters spread 7 tons everywhere but in the pool. What fool is ignoring those numbers?

Little got under a roof where fuel rods have already melted. Japanese fire trucks also could do virtually nothing. That effort was a joke before it started. A pool that all but TEPCO management says is dry. Only management (what makes nuclear power so dangerous) is denying that the pool is virtually dry.

In Three Mile Island, Jimmy Carter took control. An NRC director walked into Three Mile Island. In minutes he realized the only problem. He said, "I own this plant." He literally took it away from Met Ed - managers who were doing exactly what is taught in business schools. He took that plant without realizing that Carter had already authorized it because all of America was at that much risk by people with least competence. In minutes, he realized the only reason for Three Mile Island was management - that was also in denial as well as uneducated.

One has to be in complete denial to think multiple meltdowns have not occurred. But more important are the fearless fifty - the engineers in those plants that are getting no support from obviously incompetent TEPCO management. Was there ever a better example of the word "obviously"? They get no support also from a government that has not fired those TEPCO management for overt incompetence. Fired them with contempt because they have been in complete and "obvious" denial for a whole week. Just like an American president who also denied Katrina for almost a week. At what point does "obvious" become obvious?

Yesterday, they finally decided to run new power lines. How long did that take? Six days to make a decision. One day to run the wires. Could the definition of "incompetence" be any more obvious?

Meanwhile, they were also ignoring spent fuel rods in another pool in reactor 3. Even the best fire trucks from Tokyo could not possibly push enough water. So why is that TEPCO only response for Thursday?

You saw helicopters dropping a facet drip all over everything but the dry pool. And then TEPCO management announce it was successful. I could not believe it - watching on NHK live. That asshole had to be lying to his penis - the only thing that should have believed what he said. Because nobody could possibly believe what he said - except other managers who are just as incompetent. Clearly - or is the word "obvious" too hard to understand - those choppers did nothing. And that was TEPCO only solution for the day. Management is easily as incompetent as the Met ED management that first created and then ignored a disaster at Three Mile Island. Another perfect example of fools who never learn the lessons from history. Deja vue 3 Mile Island.

What makes nuclear power so dangerous. 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management. I often wonder why anyone would not know that.

Multiple meltdowns already exist. Only those most in denial - ie TEPCO management - would deny it.

BTW, a so much largest meltdown and fire in multiple reactors would not threaten anyone in the US or Europe. But this is a lesson for everyone in the world. This is a failure "obviously" traceable to incompetence management. We should be taking names for the same reason we blame Anthony Alexander for intentionally creating the 2003 NE blackout and another almost Three Mile Island at Davis Besse in NW Ohio.

[tw]

This event long ago exceeded anything at Three Mile Island. Because TEPCO management has been in denial, they have classified the event at level 4 - below a Three Mile Island event.

In 3 Mile Island, fuel remained inside the containment vessel. In Fukushima, radioactive material is outside containment vessels (some are breeched) now at deadly levels. And probably outside the plant.

Worse is how long TEPCO management has remained in denial. From today's NY Times is an example how inaction made things worse:

Additionally, a senior Western nuclear industry executive said that there also appears to be damage to the floor or sides of the spent fuel pool at Reactor No. 4, and that this is making it extremely hard to refill the pool with water. The problem was first reported by The Los Angeles Times.

So what did they expect to accomplish with those fire engines and dribbles from helicopters? Oh. Don't worry. Be happy.

Well, an American admiral for the Pacific Region implies that management finally got it. Apparently, blunt words privately from Americans (and probably from others) were finally heard by these business school trophies. The American admiral implied for the first time that things may be getting better. Why? TEPCO management finally understood they have a problem. So finally one thing got accomplished. TEPCO raised the event to level 5 - only equal to Three Mile Island. When they finally get it completely, Fukushima will be raised to a level 6 event.

Fukushima was level six before reactors 2 and 4 were in trouble. Denial at highest levels is the only reason for an explosion in reactor 4. Explains a full week of doing nothing.

At what point does the word "obvious" have significance?

Well Japanese officials have just admitted that some reactors or equipment may have to be buried in sand or concrete like Chernobyl. Chernobyl - a level 7 event.

How many were ignoring what first become obvious on Saturday - six days ago? Or need we define the word "obvious"?

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Pete Zicato

Actually, just a little closer.

Wolfram says 5896 miles from London to Japan. 6436 miles Ann Arbor to Japan.

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i...gland+to+japan

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i...higan+to+japan

Useful site, by the way.

Even more than you thought.

Quake Moves Japan Closer to U.S.
The earthquake in Japan appears to have brought the country and the United States closer together, and not just metaphorically speaking: The area of the country hit by the quake jumped 13 feet closer to the U.S., says The New York Times. A coastal stretch of Japan also sunk two feet—which allowed the tsunami to travel further inland. NASA also says the quake shortened the day by a couple millionths of a second and tilted Earth’s axis.

Read it at The New York Times

[Aliantha]

You know, I'm pretty sure it's all Bush's fault.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

You know, I'm pretty sure it's all Bush's fault.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

You know, I'm pretty sure it's all Bush's fault.

Believe it or not, other people can be just as dumb. Some of them in the Cellar even voted for George Jr. And still do not apologize for being "so hating the American soldier" dumb.

[tw]

From the NY Times of 19 Mar 2011 is a perfect example of why 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management. Especially when management has no idea how the work gets done. Or in this case, how a nuclear reactor works.

Executives May Have Lost Valuable Time at Damaged Nuclear Plant
Nuclear experts said that executives thought they had enough time because the reactors had shut down automatically after the earthquake, and that they did not realize the risk posed by the spent fuel rods, which are highly radioactive and still emitting heat. ...
They failed to cool the reactors on the day of the earthquake, March 11, and even after a hydrogen explosion the following day, they waited more than four hours to start dousing the reactors with seawater. They did not even try to put water into the spent fuel pools for several days. ...
a former senior operator at a Pennsylvania power plant with General Electric reactors ... the crucial question is whether Japanese officials followed G.E.'s emergency operating procedures. Those procedures are "crystal clear" on how to determine when reactors should be flooded, ...
The procedures prescribe specific actions based on variables like reactor temperature and pressure, data Tepco has not yet released.
A former Tepco executive told The Wall Street Journal on Saturday that the company had hesitated to ruin the plant with seawater. A Tepco spokesman told The Journal that the company, "taking the safety of the whole plant into consideration, was trying to judge the appropriate timing to use seawater."

And what point does MBA thinking become obvious? Required actions were obvious had decisions come from where the work gets done.

"They could have reacted earlier, but this is a relative thing,” he said, pointing out that they were focused on the reactors rather than the spent fuel pools. "Economically, it is tough to decide to use seawater."

Logically it was a simple decision. Again why top people must come from where the work gets done - not from the finance department, educated in economics, from business schools, or the public affairs office.

Though partial fuel melting has already occurred in each reactor, ...

and still some insist no melting happened. First melting was all but obvious on Saturday.

All four plants lose power on Friday. All except battery power that was available for less than one day. No problem. New wires can be connected in one-half day. But bean counters in top TEPCO management needed six days to make a decision. Sounds just like the George Jr administration.

Nuclear failures directly traceable to humans who did not do their job.

The fuel rods that were in active use and the spent fuel stored at the facility will take years to completely cool and will require watering for years to stay under control.

Knowledge learned even from Three Mile Island. Had those TMI damaged pumps failed anytime that first year, then nothing was available to avert a Fukushima event. A lesson about how close Pennsylvania came to a serious nuclear event. And how much worse Three Mile Island 2 could have been had Carter and an NRC director not taken that plant away from incompetent management at Metropolitan Edison. An example of how responsible top management does its job.

85% of the time. TEPCO management is another example of stupidity that was also directly traceable to top management after Katrina. (So dumb as to go to a campaign fund raiser in Southern CA and then to John McCain's birthday party as people were dying in New Orleans.) What happens when top management comes from business schools (as George Jr was educated). Or remains in denail like a Catholic Church Cardinal. In all cases, top people should be making public aplogizes for not doing their jobs. And resigning.

Fukushima is another trophy repeatedly proven in history. 85% of all problems are directly traceable to people educated in lying about their incompetance.

TEPCO management will blame any and everything but themselves. The GE operation procedures were clear. But it might increase costs. So they did what any bean counter type would do. Hesitate. Even take six days to decide to connect new wires.