Where is Dr Kevorkian

[jaguar]

OH this is hte US?
Ohhh....i forgot the idea of state run serices was blasphemy over there :p
Much as they've tried to kill it we still have a robust public lhealth system here, with the option of a private hospital if you wish to pay forit.

[Griff]

Blasphemous to me yes, to the two major parties, no. Bushy is nationalizing schools as we speak. Our once robust private health care system has already been destroyed by public private partnerships.

Of course French public school abortions get back to my pet peeve of subsidizing immoral behavior so folks don't bear the burden of there own "choices". I guess the bottom line is you admitt that you cannot bear the costs of your behavior so "society" must carry it for you. That is not sustainable. IMHO Maybe I really am an anarchist, I'm having trouble seeing any legitimate uses for tax dollars. Anyway, don't take any of this personally Jag, your willingness to come out and say what most statists think, is admirable.

[jaguar]

public private partnerships?
How the fark does that work? Private hospitatls that are funded by the state?
GUess i've always been a big believer in public services. Or mabye that because i've seen the power, phone, train ticket and water/gas prices size since pritatisation ni exchange for buggar all except for a few billion for the goverment to then blow by propping up the companies these once state industries have created which were never meant to, or are able to run profitably..
Hm...bitter mood this morning.

Jag, your willingness to come out and say what most statists think, is admirable.

Oh that was uncalled for? I never said economic control, just control of basic infrastructure.

[Griff]

you bitter? I'm in a bit of a grump as well. Sister-in-law got a stack of tickets in the mail yesterday, got caught midnight slippin through on a red light but get this... no cop. just a little digital photo from the Cal. DMV. the noose grows tighter... back to yer cages nothing to see here.

Statist- I call almost everybody that. At least you knew to be offended. I'll try to be better ... later G

[Griff]

whoops prolly wrong gov authority there local court no doubt.

Hows it supposed to work? You'd have to ask Mussolini. How does it work? government picks who they want to have succeed, stifles competition, pays the bills, tells everyone how much they are gonna clear, everybodies happy except costs escalate quality of service deteriorates and I get grumpy.

[jaguar]

I"d rather have a democratic governemnt running things than a private company.
In the end a democratic government is elected by the poeple (competitive eliteist model) and therefore is responsible to the people, a private company is fundamentally about making money though exploitation.

Insttead of waiting for the absue over the world exploitation - think aboutit, every business exploits something, our unwillingness ot build our own house, grow our own food, vacuum our own house, whatever, its still exploiting that thing, whether it be inability or lazyness etc.

[Griff]

Why isn't majoritarian rule exploitive?

Aye.

I hope you don't mean "every business exploits something" in a negative way. I hope what you mean to say is "Every business takes advantage of a want or need, such as having the carpet vacuumed or the food cooked." I hope exploit was just a negative-sounding word in an otherwise neutral sentence.

We need companies because we need money. We need money because we need to get things done. No one would do anything without money. You need some form of compensation. It's not always straight "exploitation" - I pay someone to clean my mother's bedsores because she can't do it herself. That paid person takes the money and purchases tomatoes because she can't harvest them herself. That person takes said money and purchases some cheese because hey, they're only a tomato farmer, after all. We don't necessarily always have a service to render to our benefactors such that they're not getting a raw deal - maybe the only thing I'm good at is mowing lawns, but his lawn is already mowed, so now he doesn't want to give me a tomato.

We need money. We need companies to get that money. They're not all evil, and they're not all necessary, but business is definitely a necessary evil.

[jaguar]

Dham - i'm quoite aware of the concept of a currancy absed economy :p
Exploit? You can put it in other words but exploit is as valid as any of them, becuase it has negative connotations doesn't mean it has to be bad.

Why isn't majoritarian rule exploitive?

? WHo does it exploit? Minorities?
I assume the idea of one group or the other having power is what you are talking about - i have a say (when i can vote that is) in a the running of a democratic government, i don't in the actions of a private business, unless its a public business and i buy shares, one dollar one vote.....Although some would argue thats what campaign donations are...