Obama spanks Wall Street.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by classicman

YOU'RE WRONG Ali! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


now where is my damned horse

He is right here:

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

The important thing to remember is, the conservatives are always wrong, even if they don't realize it. It's our job as liberals to guide them through the murky waters of life to ultimate enlightenment.

What passes for liberalism today isn't right, either.

Outside of Berkeley, anyway.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by TGRR

What passes for liberalism today isn't right, either.

Outside of Berkeley, anyway.

Berkley!?!?!?

Dude, now I will have to . K?

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by TGRR

What passes for liberalism today isn't right, either.

Outside of Berkeley, anyway.

What do you mean by that?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by TGRR

What passes for liberalism today isn't right, either.

Of course not - Its left - Duh!

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

What do you mean by that?

I mean what passes for liberalism at Berkeley has zero to do with liberalism as understood by the founders and their contemporaries.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Berkley!?!?!?

Dude, now I will have to . K?

I can see that I need to use smaller words when I respond to you.

TGRR,
Hopes that might help with your context problem.

[Aliantha]

Well, I don't go to berkely and I don't really know what the founders of liberalism thought it should be like.

I've been labled a liberal on this board, so that's what I am for all intents and purposes through the course of discussions here.

I've been labled other things too, but they don't have much relevance to current events of political discussion.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Well, I'm not a right leaning person. Definitely more liberal than conservative, but I don't have a problem with discussions here where my conservative friends get on their high horses and start sprouting horns and stuff. They're all pretty reasonable most of the time, and when they're not, I usually just stop talking to them, or start cracking jokes. We all have that right. I don't think any of them think I'm stupid for my views though, and I don't think they'd think that of anyone else either.

Sure, things get heated sometimes, and people start getting personal, but it blows over.

The important thing to remember is, the conservatives are always wrong, even if they don't realize it. It's our job as liberals to guide them through the murky waters of life to ultimate enlightenment.

wellll, they are entitled to their wrong opinion... :p

[Aliantha]

That's true mate.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TGRR

Clinton shut the government down (twice), when he turned the GOP's budget away for excessive spending, not the other way around.

It was about the only thing the schmuck did that was worth a damn.

Well then, I guess it depends on who you ask.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...utdown_of_1995
The Republicans tried to blame Clinton for the shutdown, but Clinton got a break two days later when Gingrich made a widely-reported complaint about being snubbed by Clinton; Tom DeLay called it "the mistake of his [Gingrich's] life".[1]

Delay writes in his book, No Retreat, No Surrender:[3]

"He told a room full of reporters that he forced the shutdown because Clinton had rudely made him and Bob Dole sit at the back of Air Force One...Newt had been careless to say such a thing, and now the whole moral tone of the shutdown had been lost. What had been a noble battle for fiscal sanity began to look like the tirade of a spoiled child..The revolution, I can tell you, was never the same."

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by TGRR

I mean what passes for liberalism at Berkeley has zero to do with liberalism as understood by the founders and their contemporaries.

You mean kind of like what passes as conservatism in the republican party today has zero to do with conservatism as understood by the founders and their contemporaries?

[TheMercenary]

Come on now, Wiki is constantly updated and counter updated by people with political agendas. If you don't believe me ask UT about his experience with annotations on Wiki.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by sugarpop

You mean kind of like what passes as conservatism in the republican party today has zero to do with conservatism as understood by the founders and their contemporaries?

And who can authenticate that? You? For every opinion about what "founders" thought and believed there is a counter arguement.

[sugarpop]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Well, I don't go to berkely and I don't really know what the founders of liberalism thought it should be like.

I've been labled a liberal on this board, so that's what I am for all intents and purposes through the course of discussions here.

I've been labled other things too, but they don't have much relevance to current events of political discussion.

I'm a proud liberal, and if I could afford to live in Berkley, I would go in a heartbeat! Hell yes!