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xoxoxoBruce · 07-29-2007, 08:58 PM

Naw, make him work for it. Bwahahahahahahaha.

07-30-2007, 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Rkzenrage, can you give a good source about Bush stealing the elections? I've heard it all over the place but I haven't read a good source about it yet.

Thanks.

Yes, I can... no I won't.
Why do you always ask me to look shit up for you?

piercehawkeye45 · 07-30-2007, 07:50 AM

That wasn't an attack on you rkzenrage, I just wanted to know if you had a source since it may be much quicker for you to find it since you may know what you are looking for. I support your opinion but just want definite proof so I can use it later, that was all.

Aliantha · 07-30-2007, 07:40 PM

Generally if you make a claim and someone asks for proof, they're asking because they're interested.

It is at this point that you may have the ability to sway someone's opinion.

I guess sometimes it's more fun just to argue though huh?

xoxoxoBruce · 07-30-2007, 08:42 PM

Poo Poo, if he does the work it will sink in.

Aliantha · 07-30-2007, 08:51 PM

The onus is on the person who makes the claim. Not the person asking for proof.

yesman065 · 07-30-2007, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha

The onus is on the person who makes the claim. Not the person asking for proof.

I thiink he's writing a paper on it for a summer class and he just
wants some free info

Aliantha · 07-30-2007, 09:11 PM

OH well...that's different then.

Urbane Guerrilla · 07-30-2007, 09:58 PM

Rkzen was letting a violent antipathy to Bush blind him to the historical truth of the matter: the 2000 election was won in the Electoral College and even the Democratic Party agrees won fair and square, even by the rules THEY tried to set up. 2004 election, won not only by Electoral College but by three and a half million popular votes more than the Democratic contender.

In both elections, the Republic dodged a bullet. The Loser Lobby took it in the shorts, and loud has been their outgribing since. Disgusting, really.

Both elections were won fair and square, as rational people will tell you. For one instance, I'm telling you. You can find about three and a half million more instances.

Aliantha · 07-30-2007, 10:00 PM

What percentage of US citizens actually vote at federal elections? (I know I should look it up myself and I probably will in the mean time. I'll share what I find with you.)

Aliantha · 07-30-2007, 10:02 PM

Well that was easy. Just look up the US census.

Sixty-four percent of U.S. citizens age 18 and over voted in the 2004 presidential election, up from 60 percent in 2000, the U.S. Census Bureau reported

yesman065 · 07-30-2007, 10:04 PM

Wow - I'm such a pessimist - I would have said less than 50%

Aliantha · 07-30-2007, 10:05 PM

There are some interesting figures on that page. Particularly this one: The turnout rate for people with a bachelor’s degree or higher (80 percent) was greater than the rate for people whose highest level of educational attainment was a high school diploma (56 percent).

Urbane Guerrilla · 07-30-2007, 10:12 PM

T.P.M. Barnett did comment that "elections in the Core [the industrialized world, full of democracies and the like] are boring" and that elections in the New Core [emergent industrial economies] and Gap [hardly any economies at all], when available, are more life-and-death. With the strong implication that as the Gap develops enough to enter New Core (the Newer Core?) membership, elections will galvanize the populace less and less as they become more and more the stuff of routine.

07-31-2007, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha

The onus is on the person who makes the claim. Not the person asking for proof.

Yeah, if they are trying to prove something to someone... true.

Elections purchased fair and square.

07-29-2007, 08:58 PM	#76
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Naw, make him work for it. Bwahahahahahahaha. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-30-2007, 07:50 AM	#78
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	That wasn't an attack on you rkzenrage, I just wanted to know if you had a source since it may be much quicker for you to find it since you may know what you are looking for. I support your opinion but just want definite proof so I can use it later, that was all. Last edited by piercehawkeye45; 07-30-2007 at 08:05 AM. Reason: tone

07-30-2007, 07:40 PM	#79
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Generally if you make a claim and someone asks for proof, they're asking because they're interested. It is at this point that you may have the ability to sway someone's opinion. I guess sometimes it's more fun just to argue though huh? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-30-2007, 08:42 PM	#80
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Poo Poo, if he does the work it will sink in. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-30-2007, 08:51 PM	#81
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	The onus is on the person who makes the claim. Not the person asking for proof. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-30-2007, 09:11 PM	#83
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	OH well...that's different then. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-30-2007, 09:58 PM	#84
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Rkzen was letting a violent antipathy to Bush blind him to the historical truth of the matter: the 2000 election was won in the Electoral College and even the Democratic Party agrees won fair and square, even by the rules THEY tried to set up. 2004 election, won not only by Electoral College but by three and a half million popular votes more than the Democratic contender. In both elections, the Republic dodged a bullet. The Loser Lobby took it in the shorts, and loud has been their outgribing since. Disgusting, really. Both elections were won fair and square, as rational people will tell you. For one instance, I'm telling you. You can find about three and a half million more instances. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

07-30-2007, 10:00 PM	#85
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	What percentage of US citizens actually vote at federal elections? (I know I should look it up myself and I probably will in the mean time. I'll share what I find with you.) __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-30-2007, 10:02 PM	#86
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well that was easy. Just look up the US census. Sixty-four percent of U.S. citizens age 18 and over voted in the 2004 presidential election, up from 60 percent in 2000, the U.S. Census Bureau reported __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-30-2007, 10:04 PM	#87
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	Wow - I'm such a pessimist - I would have said less than 50%

07-30-2007, 10:05 PM	#88
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	There are some interesting figures on that page. Particularly this one: The turnout rate for people with a bachelor’s degree or higher (80 percent) was greater than the rate for people whose highest level of educational attainment was a high school diploma (56 percent). __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-30-2007, 10:12 PM	#89
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	T.P.M. Barnett did comment that "elections in the Core [the industrialized world, full of democracies and the like] are boring" and that elections in the New Core [emergent industrial economies] and Gap [hardly any economies at all], when available, are more life-and-death. With the strong implication that as the Gap develops enough to enter New Core (the Newer Core?) membership, elections will galvanize the populace less and less as they become more and more the stuff of routine. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

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