PSA Jet crash, 1978

chrisinhouston · 09-29-2001, 05:31 PM

Prior to Sept. 11, this was a one of the most dramatic pre crash photos, taken just by chance. It is the PSA jet crash of 1978. The photographer had to fight for the rights to the image, as he was employed by the city of San Diego when he snapped it and they claimed ownership. He eventually won in court. It made the cover of Time.

Nothing But Net · 09-30-2001, 12:58 AM

Nothing But Net here, another Houston (TX) Cellar Dweller.

Going to be meeting face to face with sycamore next week, by odd chance, but it's always good to see a homeboy on the boards.

Welcome!

NBN

tw · 09-30-2001, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by chrisinhouston
...one of the most dramatic pre crash photos, taken just by chance. It is the PSA jet crash of 1978.

Looking close at the fire - it is not in the engines. Apparently a fuel tank is burning. But what caused it? The engines are in the back on what I believe is a DC-9.

sapienza · 09-30-2001, 10:01 PM

That crash was caused by a collision the plane had with a much smaller plane that had violated its airspace.

If you want to hear the cockpit voice recorder of the crash in MP3, go here:
http://www.worldwidemart.com/sapienz...ssna%20172.mp3

(one of my silly little habits is to collect and MP3 CVR recordings ...)

More links of interest:
http://aviation-safety.net/cvr/cvr_ps182.htm
http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-psa182.shtml

... yeah, I know, I find air disasters a little TOO interesting...

sapienza

bruce92106 · 12-12-2007, 10:33 AM

COME ON MAN -- WHERES THE CVR RECORDING. THE LINK IS USELESS. I'M NOT A GRIM HUMAN .. BUT I WANT TO SEE AND HEAR ALL ABOUT THAT DAY, WHICH I WITNESSED. SO PLEASE -- GIVE ME ALL THE INFO OF CVR'S, GRUESOME PICS WERE NEVER SUPPOSE TO VIEW IN THE COUNTRY BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE TOO DETRIMENTAL TO US SOFT AMERICANS WHO MIGHT NEED THERAPY OVER VIEWING A DEAD BODY. PLEASE! IS THERE A SEARCH ENGINE THAT'S NOT WHIMPIFIED ANYMORE?

tw · 10-01-2001, 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by sapienza
... yeah, I know, I find air disasters a little TOO interesting...

Those who come to gape are the ones who should apologize. They watch Lisa Thomas Laurie and Jim Gardner, or buy the Daily/Local or Mercury for the daily car crashes on the front page. The difference is that this picture now includes details from which responsible people learn. That is what news is all about - learning.

Pilots lost track of a Cessna and did not report same to control tower. Control tower knew of impending collision but ignored it since too many alarms were normal. Humans failing to do their job by 'ignoring the details' is the summary. Now we must ask who was in charge of control tower operations because 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management. The whole logical process of how failures happen is why this picture and story are so important.

As I note so many times previously, Channel 6 Action News never reports news. They report hype. They would flood the screens with the topmost picture, but never report nine reasons why the crash occured nor demonstrate how human failure causes catastrophy.

Excellent hyperlinks now make the picture appropriate. Quality poster who demonstrates how Lisa Thomas Laurie, et al should be doing her job.

glatt · 12-12-2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by tw

...because 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management. ...

At least six years of using that line.

Undertoad · 12-12-2007, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt

At least six years of using that line.

It's time for FUN WITH GOOGLE!

Google site:cellar.org "problems directly traceable to top management"

29 results, 28 written by tw (and one by me, to get him to recognize the problems with Kofi Annan).

Google "problems are directly traceable to top management" without the site: restriction

3 non-Cellar results... are all tw! (Nobody else has ever used that phrase on the Internet!)

tw on Telecom digest - which I didn't know was still happening. I posted on it in 1989 when I was briefly in that industry.

tw on a DIY electronics forum, explains how Microsoft cleaned IBM's clock.

tw on a frugal living usenet group (usenet!), explains why Firestone sucks

TheMercenary · 12-14-2007, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

It's time for FUN WITH GOOGLE!

Google site:cellar.org "problems directly traceable to top management"

29 results, 28 written by tw (and one by me, to get him to recognize the problems with Kofi Annan).

Google "problems are directly traceable to top management" without the site: restriction

3 non-Cellar results... are all tw! (Nobody else has ever used that phrase on the Internet!)

tw on Telecom digest - which I didn't know was still happening. I posted on it in 1989 when I was briefly in that industry.

tw on a DIY electronics forum, explains how Microsoft cleaned IBM's clock.

tw on a frugal living usenet group (usenet!), explains why Firestone sucks

Ok that settles it. Tom Welch is one wacked out mofo.

TheMercenary · 08-29-2008, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

That is funny as hell.

aofl · 10-01-2001, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sapienza
That crash was caused by a collision the plane had with a much smaller plane that had violated its airspace.

If you want to hear the cockpit voice recorder of the crash in MP3, go here:
http://www.worldwidemart.com/sapienz...ssna%20172.mp3

(one of my silly little habits is to collect and MP3 CVR recordings ...)

More links of interest:
http://aviation-safety.net/cvr/cvr_ps182.htm
http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-psa182.shtml

... yeah, I know, I find air disasters a little TOO interesting...

sapienza

I can't fault you. I've been a fan of airdisaster.com for a while now. There are many disturbing images. I recommend this site to everyone I talk to who mentions air disasters. They used to have movies of air disasters, but no longer.

bruce92106 · 12-12-2007, 10:38 AM

jeeesh ... can we get some new photos or the real tragic stuff. not just the same two noobs carrying a body bag. my goodness. are we not allowed in this country to go grim?

Joe · 10-01-2001, 07:27 PM

A small plane intruded into the class B airspace around the airport, I believe, and they had a midair collision.

The jet looks to be close to or exceeding ninety degrees of bank. Also their speed must have been pretty slow so near an airport. I think they stalled and fell out of the sky. The plane is nose-down, so the pilot is probably trying to regain some airspeed and save it, but he's way too low.

The big jet landed right into the middle of suburbia and blew away a whole block of middle-income homes. I mean nothing left.

This accident is where as a kid I learned the word "Cessna".

MaggieL · 10-05-2001, 07:10 PM

This accident is where as a kid I learned the word "Cessna".
Interesting, considering the other aircraft involved was a Piper.

10-06-2001, 12:43 AM

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Originally posted by MaggieL
This accident is where as a kid I learned the word "Cessna".
Interesting, considering the other aircraft involved was a Piper.

Interesting, considering the other aircraft involved WAS A CESSNA 172M.

Maybe I'm just in a bad mood, but please check your facts before you post smarmy comments designed to make other people look stupid.

Go do a google search for "psa 182 piper"... all results that come up say that it was a Cessna, as does the original article on airdisaster.com, as does everything else I've ever heard.

09-29-2001, 05:31 PM	#1
chrisinhouston Professor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,857	PSA Jet crash, 1978 Prior to Sept. 11, this was a one of the most dramatic pre crash photos, taken just by chance. It is the PSA jet crash of 1978. The photographer had to fight for the rights to the image, as he was employed by the city of San Diego when he snapped it and they claimed ownership. He eventually won in court. It made the cover of Time.

09-30-2001, 12:58 AM	#2
Nothing But Net Professor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Spring, Texas Posts: 1,481	Hi Chris.. Nothing But Net here, another Houston (TX) Cellar Dweller. Going to be meeting face to face with sycamore next week, by odd chance, but it's always good to see a homeboy on the boards. Welcome! NBN

12-12-2007, 10:33 AM	#5
bruce92106 Person Who Has Posted Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2	WHERE'S THE BOX? COME ON MAN -- WHERES THE CVR RECORDING. THE LINK IS USELESS. I'M NOT A GRIM HUMAN .. BUT I WANT TO SEE AND HEAR ALL ABOUT THAT DAY, WHICH I WITNESSED. SO PLEASE -- GIVE ME ALL THE INFO OF CVR'S, GRUESOME PICS WERE NEVER SUPPOSE TO VIEW IN THE COUNTRY BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE TOO DETRIMENTAL TO US SOFT AMERICANS WHO MIGHT NEED THERAPY OVER VIEWING A DEAD BODY. PLEASE! IS THERE A SEARCH ENGINE THAT'S NOT WHIMPIFIED ANYMORE?

12-12-2007, 10:38 AM	#12
bruce92106 Person Who Has Posted Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2	psa 1978 jeeesh ... can we get some new photos or the real tragic stuff. not just the same two noobs carrying a body bag. my goodness. are we not allowed in this country to go grim?

10-01-2001, 07:27 PM	#13
Joe Master of the Domain Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: AZ Posts: 221	I remember when that happened A small plane intruded into the class B airspace around the airport, I believe, and they had a midair collision. The jet looks to be close to or exceeding ninety degrees of bank. Also their speed must have been pretty slow so near an airport. I think they stalled and fell out of the sky. The plane is nose-down, so the pilot is probably trying to regain some airspeed and save it, but he's way too low. The big jet landed right into the middle of suburbia and blew away a whole block of middle-income homes. I mean nothing left. This accident is where as a kid I learned the word "Cessna".

09-30-2001, 10:01 PM	#4
sapienza Resident Denizen Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 61	That crash was caused by a collision the plane had with a much smaller plane that had violated its airspace. If you want to hear the cockpit voice recorder of the crash in MP3, go here: http://www.worldwidemart.com/sapienz...ssna%20172.mp3 (one of my silly little habits is to collect and MP3 CVR recordings ...) More links of interest: http://aviation-safety.net/cvr/cvr_ps182.htm http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-psa182.shtml ... yeah, I know, I find air disasters a little TOO interesting... sapienza

10-05-2001, 07:10 PM	#14
MaggieL in the Hour of Scampering Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Jeffersonville PA (15 mi NW of Philadelphia) Posts: 4,060	"Cessna" <i>This accident is where as a kid I learned the word "Cessna".</i><p> Interesting, considering the other aircraft involved was a Piper. __________________ "Neither can his Mind be thought to be in Tune,whose words do jarre; nor his reason In frame, whose sentence is preposterous..."

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