Camp Guantanamo So Fuckin' Awful

08-08-2003, 10:34 AM

From my buddies at MSNBC:

<blockquote>MOSCOW, Aug. 8 — A Russian mother said that conditions in Russian jails are so awful that she would prefer her son remain in the “humane” conditions of the U.S. military prison in Guantanamo Bay.

A NUMBER OF governments, including Russia’s, are in talks with the United States to extradite their nationals from the prison camp in Cuba, which was set up to house Taliban and al-Qaida suspects after the war in Afghanistan.

“I am terribly scared of a Russian prison or Russian court for my son,” Amina Khasanova was quoted as saying by Gazeta newspaper on Friday.

“At Guantanamo they treat him humanely, the conditions are fine.”

Her son Andrei Bakhitov is one of eight Russian detainees, and the newspaper quoted a letter he wrote to his mother.

“I think that there is not even a health resort in Russia on the level of this place,” the letter said.</blockquote>

These guys never had it so good! Why are others bitching for them? (They're not complaining, it seems.)

juju · 08-08-2003, 11:32 AM

Propagnada! That's all thsi is, folks, just more propagnada.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-08-2003, 03:24 PM

The truth will NOT set them free.

Tasneem Project · 08-10-2003, 12:30 PM

Guantanamo Bay! Yes, siree! Home of human rights and freedom, the United States of America, has its very own concentration camp! Detained without charge, without access to legal advise, in conditions that not be tolerated in other advanced nation on Earth, the people of Guantanamo Bay are demonised, dehumanised and - the USA government hope - forgotten.

No way, dudes! Here stands an icon to the horrors of post-WWII USA foreign policy. Pretend it don't exist if you want, cowboys, but Guantanamo Bay is a carbuncle weeping puss down the Statue of Liberty's face!!

xoxoxoBruce · 08-10-2003, 12:37 PM

You forgot the part about living better than they ever have or could in Afganistan, in your vitriolic bullshit.:p

elSicomoro · 08-10-2003, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by juju
Propagnada! That's all thsi is, folks, just more propagnada.

I think you meant propagadna.

elSicomoro · 08-10-2003, 01:35 PM

The whole Guantanamo situation just sucks, and I strongly disagree with how the US is handling the prisoners as a whole. But even a bleeding-heart liberal like me knows that they'll probably be treated better by the US than anyone else.

Whit · 08-10-2003, 01:52 PM

     I'm with you on that Syc. I'm still royaly pissed that the US is holding people without a trial. If they did wrong, prove it. In a court of law, that's why they are there.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-10-2003, 02:00 PM

Quote:

that's why they are there.

Point of order! The courts are not there, they're here. The prisoners, are there and NOT here.
I don't remember any prisioners of war being tried in American courts during any other war. Why now?

Whit · 08-10-2003, 02:09 PM

     Sigh, yes, the courts are here. In the country many of these people were taken from. And, again, if you can call someone a prisoner of war when arreste... um, detained, in the "War on Terrorism" then why not do the same for people in the "War on Drugs"? I saw a guy somking what appeared to be a joint the other day, if we aren't going to prove anyone guilty his happy ass needs to get hauled off without so much as a "See ya later" to his family taken to another country and never heard from again.
     What's that you say? Smoking a joint and blowing up a building are two different situations? How do we know anyones guilty of either without a trial?

xoxoxoBruce · 08-10-2003, 02:13 PM

How do you know the guy shooting at you is the enemy? Well gosh, you got me there.

Whit · 08-11-2003, 02:10 AM

     Um, actually Bruce, my thought was more along the lines of how do I know the guy they say was shooting at me has ever touched a gun? I'm sorry if I'm bothered at the thought of hauling people off without ever proving they've done anything wrong.
     Maybe it's because I haven't done anything wrong myself and don't want to get hauled off either?

Uryoces · 08-11-2003, 04:58 AM

Propagnada is that country where cars run on Canola oil and love...

juju · 08-11-2003, 09:16 AM

Come on, Whit. The government isn't going to abuse it's powers! Have some trust, for Chrissakes.

BrianR · 08-11-2003, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Point of order! The courts are not there, they're here. The prisoners, are there and NOT here.
I don't remember any prisioners of war being tried in American courts during any other war. Why now?

Actually, we did try, and execute, several German prisoners (saboteurs) during WW II. If I can find the link, I'll post it.

Brian

08-08-2003, 10:34 AM	#1
dave Guest Posts: n/a	Camp Guantanamo So Fuckin' Awful From my buddies at MSNBC: <blockquote>MOSCOW, Aug. 8 — A Russian mother said that conditions in Russian jails are so awful that she would prefer her son remain in the “humane” conditions of the U.S. military prison in Guantanamo Bay. A NUMBER OF governments, including Russia’s, are in talks with the United States to extradite their nationals from the prison camp in Cuba, which was set up to house Taliban and al-Qaida suspects after the war in Afghanistan. “I am terribly scared of a Russian prison or Russian court for my son,” Amina Khasanova was quoted as saying by Gazeta newspaper on Friday. “At Guantanamo they treat him humanely, the conditions are fine.” Her son Andrei Bakhitov is one of eight Russian detainees, and the newspaper quoted a letter he wrote to his mother. “I think that there is not even a health resort in Russia on the level of this place,” the letter said.</blockquote> These guys never had it so good! Why are others bitching for them? (They're not complaining, it seems.)

08-08-2003, 03:24 PM	#3
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The truth will NOT set them free. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-10-2003, 12:30 PM	#4
Tasneem Project Writer of Writings Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: uk Posts: 14	Guantanamo Bay! Yes, siree! Home of human rights and freedom, the United States of America, has its very own concentration camp! Detained without charge, without access to legal advise, in conditions that not be tolerated in other advanced nation on Earth, the people of Guantanamo Bay are demonised, dehumanised and - the USA government hope - forgotten. No way, dudes! Here stands an icon to the horrors of post-WWII USA foreign policy. Pretend it don't exist if you want, cowboys, but Guantanamo Bay is a carbuncle weeping puss down the Statue of Liberty's face!! __________________ http://www.geocities.com/yakoub0001/index.html

08-10-2003, 12:37 PM	#5
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	You forgot the part about living better than they ever have or could in Afganistan, in your vitriolic bullshit.:p __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-10-2003, 01:52 PM	#8
Whit Umm ... yeah. Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 949	I'm with you on that Syc. I'm still royaly pissed that the US is holding people without a trial. If they did wrong, prove it. In a court of law, that's why they are there. __________________ A friend will help you move. A true friend will help you move a body.

08-08-2003, 11:32 AM	#2
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	Propagnada! That's all thsi is, folks, just more propagnada.

08-10-2003, 01:35 PM	#7
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	The whole Guantanamo situation just sucks, and I strongly disagree with how the US is handling the prisoners as a whole. But even a bleeding-heart liberal like me knows that they'll probably be treated better by the US than anyone else.

08-10-2003, 02:09 PM	#10
Whit Umm ... yeah. Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 949	Sigh, yes, the courts are here. In the country many of these people were taken from. And, again, if you can call someone a prisoner of war when arreste... um, detained, in the "War on Terrorism" then why not do the same for people in the "War on Drugs"? I saw a guy somking what appeared to be a joint the other day, if we aren't going to prove anyone guilty his happy ass needs to get hauled off without so much as a "See ya later" to his family taken to another country and never heard from again.      What's that you say? Smoking a joint and blowing up a building are two different situations? How do we know anyones guilty of either without a trial? __________________ A friend will help you move. A true friend will help you move a body.

08-10-2003, 02:13 PM	#11
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	How do you know the guy shooting at you is the enemy? Well gosh, you got me there. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-11-2003, 02:10 AM	#12
Whit Umm ... yeah. Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 949	Um, actually Bruce, my thought was more along the lines of how do I know the guy they say was shooting at me has ever touched a gun? I'm sorry if I'm bothered at the thought of hauling people off without ever proving they've done anything wrong.      Maybe it's because I haven't done anything wrong myself and don't want to get hauled off either? __________________ A friend will help you move. A true friend will help you move a body.

08-11-2003, 04:58 AM	#13
Uryoces 2nd Covenant, yo Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Pugetropolis Posts: 583	Propagnada is that country where cars run on Canola oil and love... __________________ The party's over ... the drink ... and the luck ... ran out.

08-11-2003, 09:16 AM	#14
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	Come on, Whit. The government isn't going to abuse it's powers! Have some trust, for Chrissakes.

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