Dec 7th, 2019 : A Day That Will Live in Infamy

[xoxoxoBruce]

The President said so because of this...



But that was just the beginning of the total war...




Of course like everything else these days there are Monday morning quarterbacks telling us what we coulda, shoulda, woulda.
Fuck them, they weren't there.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Of course like everything else these days there are Monday morning quarterbacks telling us what we coulda, shoulda, woulda.
Fuck them, they weren't there.

I've posted a similar link a few months ago but:

Unit 731

[Diaphone Jim]

I couldn't bring myself to click on "Experiments" on the Unit 731 web page.
And I hope this doesn't mean what it sounds like :
"In Japan, not one was brought to justice. In a secret deal, the post-war American administration gave them immunity for prosecution in return for details of their experiments."

[fargon]

"I couldn't bring myself to click on "Experiments" on the Unit 731 web page."
Diaphone Jim

I did it was worse than I imagined.

[xoxoxoBruce]

And that's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Japanese atrocities.

[Clodfobble]

I find it helps, both emotionally and practically, to classify them as "human" atrocities. Because for one, this type of thing has been perpetuated by lots of cultures throughout history (medieval torture devices, for example, have entire college courses devoted to them), but more importantly, to assign atrocities to the individual culture is to take the first step down the path of seeing them as inhuman... Which, of course, is precisely the attitude that leads to these atrocities in the first place. "They" didn't do this. "We" do this to each other.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

But more importantly, to assign atrocities to the individual culture is to take the first step down the path of seeing them as inhuman... Which, of course, is precisely the attitude that leads to these atrocities in the first place.

They are us, and we need to be ever-vigilant that we don't turn into the same thing.

Also, we are 100% definitely turning into the same thing.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

They are us, and we need to be ever-vigilant that we don't turn into the same thing.

Also, we are 100% definitely turning into the same thing.

I had a very depressing conversation with a member of the next generation, he's even more fatalistic than I was at his age, but it's worse. He has a degree of certitude about the collapse of civilization that is hard to hear. Imagine me trying to get someone to see the positive, laughable.

[fargon]

Do unto others, as you would have others Do unto you. And if you hear of our governments doing such things Protest Vigorously.

[Griff]

Amen. Amen.

[zippyt]

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[xoxoxoBruce]

"It’s not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people."

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Diaphone Jim

I couldn't bring myself to click on "Experiments" on the Unit 731 web page.
And I hope this doesn't mean what it sounds like :
"In Japan, not one was brought to justice. In a secret deal, the post-war American administration gave them immunity for prosecution in return for details of their experiments."

The USA not only gave the Japanese perps immunity, it actively covered-up and whitewashed the atrocities in exchange for them giving their experimentation data to only us and not our allies. Few American prisoners of war were believed to have been victimized this way. Victims were mostly nationals of other countries to include even some Japanese domestic prisoners, destitute, and mentally disturbed people. This; also, that the Japanese did a good job of destroying evidence of what happened, made it easy for the USA to become beneficially complicit in the aftermath. The information gained was eventually determined to be not of significant value.

[xoxoxoBruce]

We did the same with German rocket/weapon scientists.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

I find it helps, both emotionally and practically, to classify them as "human" atrocities. ...

It may very well help emotionally. As a matter of practicality, we'll probably end up going the other direction and classifying them by nation-states. The objective will be to stimulate competition among nation-states to reduce their atrocities footprints. Of course, there'll be a provision to buy atrocities credits which will be touted as a fund for paying reparations on behalf of smaller nation-states that cannot afford to. It'll be much better than the "human" atrocities quagmire in which everyone is guilty; but, no one is compensating victims (or their surviving families).