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05-27-2011, 11:05 AM | #1 | ||
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If you're really against torture...
...you're angry at the Obama administration and Clinton's State Department for re-engaging with Syria in 2009, creating a closer relationship between the US and these people:
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05-28-2011, 06:46 AM | #2 |
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There's a new enhanced interrogation technique in which detainees are required to lie perfectly still, face down, stiff as a board, with their arms against their sides while balancing themselves on top of some object until they fall off and hurt themselves. The origin of the technique is uncertain; however, it appears that if detainees are photographed during the procedure and the pictures posted to a certain Facebook account, those events can be classified as recreation by the international community.
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05-29-2011, 02:39 PM | #3 | |
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05-28-2011, 09:06 AM | #4 |
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No, that's torture for those who have to encounter an endless barrage of these photographs and are told its some kind of self-expressive art. You know, like tattoos.
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05-28-2011, 09:11 AM | #5 | |
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05-28-2011, 10:47 AM | #6 | |
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I certainly approve of his first actions in office of ending the policy of enhanced interrogation and rendition to countries that torture. But I'm not angry for reengaging with Syria, while at the same time, keeping it on the terrorist supporter list and extending Bush sanctions. And not for the engagement with NATO in Libya, which I still believe will be successful in driving Ghaddafi out of the country at little $ cost to the US and no US military losses. We have little influence with Syria, but it was worth a shot. I dont see a good outcome there regardless of the US strategy. Last edited by Fair&Balanced; 05-28-2011 at 10:57 AM. Reason: clarification |
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05-28-2011, 12:50 PM | #7 | |
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George Jr said enemies must earn the right to be engaged. How many thousands of American soldiers were wasted uselessly for the greater glory of that political agenda? How many Americans lost jobs in a recession created by a greater glory? The best way to defeat an enemy is engagement. 'Baby Doc' Duvalier? Idi Bitty Amin? Carter almost disarmed the Korea conflict using engagement. |
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05-28-2011, 02:53 PM | #8 |
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The UN needs to impose sanctions on Syria. Only then will sanctions have a chance of being effective. Unfortunately, it is usually the people of a country who suffer rather than their leaders when sanctions are imposed.
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05-29-2011, 11:48 PM | #9 | |
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And in regard to the original post, President Obama is just as barbaric as President Bush was. Torture is barbaric, whether you do it yourself, or have vassal states do it ("Extraordinary Rendition"). There is no acceptable excuse or justification for torture. |
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05-30-2011, 11:30 AM | #10 | ||
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Which is why nothing will be done. We must look the other way; we must turn inwards; we are just as bad. Our shame will fill the history books. We must immediately repent on behalf of young Hamza. If we can admit responsibility we can begin changing ourselves, and then Syria will have no other path except to change as well. Once they see the beauty of the West's non-torturing approach they will certainly and wholly change. I see it now, and I will pray for repentance at nightfall if the local cops don't cut my dick off first. |
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05-30-2011, 11:38 AM | #11 | |
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05-30-2011, 11:45 AM | #12 | |
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Also, America uses Syria to torture people, via "Extraordinary Rendition", so I am having trouble understanding your comparison. |
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05-30-2011, 11:50 AM | #13 | |
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05-30-2011, 12:27 PM | #14 |
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05-30-2011, 02:41 PM | #15 |
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I would answer you except that my left nut has just been crushed in a vise and it's too painful to think.
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