12/1/2002: Deer tax paid

Undertoad · 12-01-2002, 11:39 AM

I had not heard about this but apparently it's an annual thing? On the right there in all the gear is Pamunkey Chief William Miles, and he's officially paying the taxes that the Indian tribes owe the Commonwealth (you know, the State) of Virginia. It's official, because they signed a treaty in 1646. Receiving the tax is Gov. Mark Warner.

More taxes should operate this way. I would be happy to sign a treaty with my Commonwealth to pay my tax in lines of code or web services or maybe a little hosting.

elSicomoro · 12-01-2002, 12:52 PM

Wait a minute...maybe I could get some deal like this...I could pay the Commonwealth in poems or photos.

chrisinhouston · 12-01-2002, 01:14 PM

So much for the photo op. The guy on the right is in a Plains Indian costume, not worn by the Indian tribes native to Virginia but by the Indians who lived from Kansas and Missouri and north to central Canada.

This is a pretty typical misconception. The average non-Indian thinks that all Indians wore feathered headdresses, buckskin clothes, carried a tomahawk and lived in tee-pees.

So the kids are getting a history lesson in how the Indians paid their taxes. Perhaps after receiving the deer, the Governor should give Chief Miles some moth eaten blankets and a few bottles of cheep whiskey

elSicomoro · 12-01-2002, 01:18 PM

Chris, you forgot that the blankets have to be covered with smallpox.

MaggieL · 12-01-2002, 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by sycamore
Chris, you forgot that the blankets have to be covered with smallpox.

No, see...this is the "paybacks are a bitch" edition. The deer has wasting disease (the deer version of Mad Cow) along with the last Nile ticks of the season...:-)

Zorg · 12-01-2002, 08:53 PM

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So much for the photo op. The guy on the right is in a Plains Indian costume, not worn by the Indian tribes native to Virginia but by the Indians who lived from Kansas and Missouri and north to central Canada.

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On the right there in all the gear is Pamunkey Chief William Miles,

Unless you happen to have a doctorate in cultural anthropology specializing in Amerindian culture of the 17th century(or, to be honest, any more background in the field than 'Baby's First Pop-Up Book of Injuns), I'd be more inclined to go with Mr. Miles

juju · 12-01-2002, 10:03 PM

Just because you don't have a degree doesn't mean you don't have any knowledge.

Cam · 12-01-2002, 10:33 PM

I'm pretty sure Chris is right. Tepees at least are not that common among Native American tribes. The headdress I can't comment on, but I'd place a pretty good chunk of cash on chris being right.

wolf · 12-01-2002, 11:00 PM

The chief probably has little in the way of clue over what he should be wearing. More than likely he spends his days in a three piece suit ...

I've been to more than a few pow-wows, and it's actually relatively rare to see dancers, even from local tribes, in anything other than buckskins ... although many of the cherokee lady dancers wear beautiful trade-cloth dresses.

Cloth made from tree bark isn't quite as durable as deerskin anyway.

wolf · 12-01-2002, 11:11 PM

coupla clicks later and bing... exactly what you needed ...

Mid-Atlantic Region Native American Dress

helen · 12-02-2002, 05:57 AM

That was an interesting link. The N. Carolina from 1581 has a tail on the back of his loincloth. I've never heard or seen that before.

wolf · 12-02-2002, 12:23 PM

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That was an interesting link. The N. Carolina from 1581 has a tail on the back of his loincloth. I've never heard or seen that before.

That's actually fairly common ... what I've typically seen is some type of canid (wolf, fox or coyote), or horse, and sometimes skunk. It depends on what the individual's medicine animal is. Many dancers also will have full pelts, either as part of the loincloth or as shoulder decoration or bags (I have a deerskin bag which includes an entire fox-skin, as well as a coyote pelt.)

We once admitted a guy to the hospital that was wearing nothing but a pair of deer's ears on his genitals, but that's a slightly different situation.

(A gas station attendant had thought his wardrobe was unusual, so he called the police. The remainder of the (roadkill) deer was hanging from a tree, where this fellow had dragged it with the stated intent of "living off it like a cheetah.") He told the cops that he was reclaiming the land in the name of the Native Americans.

12-01-2002, 11:39 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	12/1/2002: Deer tax paid I had not heard about this but apparently it's an annual thing? On the right there in all the gear is Pamunkey Chief William Miles, and he's officially paying the taxes that the Indian tribes owe the Commonwealth (you know, the State) of Virginia. It's official, because they signed a treaty in 1646. Receiving the tax is Gov. Mark Warner. More taxes should operate this way. I would be happy to sign a treaty with my Commonwealth to pay my tax in lines of code or web services or maybe a little hosting.

12-01-2002, 10:33 PM	#8
Cam dripping with ignorance Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Grand Forks ND Posts: 642	I'm pretty sure Chris is right. Tepees at least are not that common among Native American tribes. The headdress I can't comment on, but I'd place a pretty good chunk of cash on chris being right. __________________ After the seventh beer I generally try and stay away from the keyboard, I apologize for what happens when I fail.

12-01-2002, 11:00 PM	#9
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	The chief probably has little in the way of clue over what he should be wearing. More than likely he spends his days in a three piece suit ... I've been to more than a few pow-wows, and it's actually relatively rare to see dancers, even from local tribes, in anything other than buckskins ... although many of the cherokee lady dancers wear beautiful trade-cloth dresses. Cloth made from tree bark isn't quite as durable as deerskin anyway. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

12-01-2002, 11:11 PM	#10
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	You know, I really love the net ... coupla clicks later and bing... exactly what you needed ... Mid-Atlantic Region Native American Dress __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

12-01-2002, 12:52 PM	#2
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Wait a minute...maybe I could get some deal like this...I could pay the Commonwealth in poems or photos.

12-01-2002, 01:14 PM	#3
chrisinhouston Professor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,857	So much for the photo op. The guy on the right is in a Plains Indian costume, not worn by the Indian tribes native to Virginia but by the Indians who lived from Kansas and Missouri and north to central Canada. This is a pretty typical misconception. The average non-Indian thinks that all Indians wore feathered headdresses, buckskin clothes, carried a tomahawk and lived in tee-pees. So the kids are getting a history lesson in how the Indians paid their taxes. Perhaps after receiving the deer, the Governor should give Chief Miles some moth eaten blankets and a few bottles of cheep whiskey

12-01-2002, 01:18 PM	#4
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Chris, you forgot that the blankets have to be covered with smallpox.

12-01-2002, 10:03 PM	#7
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	Just because you don't have a degree doesn't mean you don't have any knowledge.

12-02-2002, 05:57 AM	#11
helen Pithy Euphemist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 19	That was an interesting link. The N. Carolina from 1581 has a tail on the back of his loincloth. I've never heard or seen that before.

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