Should College Students be allowed to vote where they attend college

richlevy · 05-10-2008, 01:28 PM

I just ran across this mailer while doing some fact checking. So should college students be allowed to register where they attend college? Should they be forced to register in their last state of residence even if they were a minor at the time?

Is it possible to have a situation where a student would be ineligible to vote anywhere? Is this fair?

Unfortunately, there are not separate polls for national and state offices. Even if a state could make the claim that they do not consider certain people eligible to vote for state offices under Article I (sect 4) and Article II (sect 1), this could deny them their rights under Article IV (sect 2) and Amendments 14 (citizenship in state of residence) ,15 , 17, 19, 23, 24,and 26 (all voting or representations amendments).

Cloud · 05-10-2008, 01:34 PM

where's the option for "don't care"? I really don't think it matters.

elSicomoro · 05-10-2008, 01:35 PM

The towns where colleges are located really seem to push the whole "register here!" issue...especially when the Census comes around.

I registered in my college town when I went away to school in '94, but then voided that and re-registered in St. Louis and voted absentee after the big '94 elections...that was more for pride though. It's a heck a lot easier to vote in your college town, but that could pose residency problems down the line, I think.

SteveDallas · 05-10-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by richlevy

Is it possible to have a situation where a student would be ineligible to vote anywhere? Is this fair?

If so, it's not fair.

I think there should be a single standard for who's considered a "resident". If some of the people who happen to satisfy the rules are college students, well, that's the way it is. (But what do I know? I also think towns should actually enforce public drunkenness, public nuisance, and noise ordinances, and arrest/fine/evict people who violate them.. .rather than pass zoning that prohibits college students.)

xoxoxoBruce · 05-10-2008, 01:51 PM

They shouldn't be allowed to vote at all, until they've worked for a living and paid taxes. :p

deadbeater · 06-03-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

They shouldn't be allowed to vote at all, until they've worked for a living and paid taxes. :p

The property and work requirement has long ago been abolished.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-03-2008, 10:23 PM

Who said anything about property? As long as the people who are not paying the bills continues to increase, they will keep voting themselves more entitlements.

richlevy · 05-10-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveDallas

If so, it's not fair.

I think there should be a single standard for who's considered a "resident". If some of the people who happen to satisfy the rules are college students, well, that's the way it is. (But what do I know? I also think towns should actually enforce public drunkenness, public nuisance, and noise ordinances, and arrest/fine/evict people who violate them.. .rather than pass zoning that prohibits college students.)

I guess what concerns me is the idea of being caught 'between states'. If your parents still have their house and it's you last address of record, then fine. But if you give up your physical residence to move to your college, then how could you claim residence at and address you no longer rent or own?

The bottom line is that everyone lives somewhere, and the US tradition is to not tie the right to vote to property ownership.

Sundae · 05-10-2008, 02:03 PM

Students should apply for postal registration for their home town.
In my opinion it's better that they shouldn't be eligible to vote somewhere where they are (statistically) unlikely to be living for the full future term of the candidates.

Yes, they might not end up living back where they came from either, but the fact that their families probably will, might prevent them from making protest votes?

Hey Bruce - what happened to no taxation without representation?

ETA due to Rich's post - in cases where the student does not have a permanent "home" ie family address, then of course their place of residence should be their college location. No-one of age should ever be denied the vote - many people in the past died to get the vote, its importance should never be under-estimated.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-10-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

Hey Bruce - what happened to no taxation without representation?

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

They shouldn't be allowed to vote at all, until they've worked for a living and paid taxes. :p

monster · 05-10-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

Hey Bruce - what happened to no taxation without representation?

We've been paying taxes for 7 years and still can't vote......

apparently the fact that we live somewhere with politicians to represent us counts as representation, even if we get no say in who it is. A bit like the state providing you with an attorney to defend you when they prosecute you, maybe....

xoxoxoBruce · 05-11-2008, 12:41 AM

You can't choose who represents you, but you can still bitch at them if you don't like the way they are doing it. They won't check to see if you're a registered voter or not.
In truth they probably won't put much stock in your individual complaints either, but will add it to their constituent mood file of complaint topics.

Are you planning on applying for citizenship?

Skunks · 05-23-2008, 09:43 AM

I vote in the town that I go to school; it was a vague semi-hawkish decision that I don't really know how to rationalize anymore; something about being more interested in voting in '06 in NY than in OR.

But, as a question in the abstract: Change of residency seems almost to be on hiatus when in school; NY flatly states that, for the purposes of gaining residency (i.e. in-state tuition rates), for at least one year your primary reason for living in NY has to be something other than higher education. This makes me think that I can retain my OR residency, insofar as the DMV, my heart, etc, are concerned (never fully changed to NY residency), while voting and paying taxes (working only NY jobs, to avoid part-time-resident tax forms) in NY...

Which really comes to the crux of the issue. Whether or not college students work, providing direct income tax for the town/etc, they're consumers on a vast scale, providing semi-direct income. It seems only reasonable to permit some political input, however flaccid.

Sundae · 05-24-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Skunks

Which really comes to the crux of the issue. Whether or not college students work, providing direct income tax for the town/etc, they're consumers on a vast scale, providing semi-direct income. It seems only reasonable to permit some political input, however flaccid.

It seems to me that this argument is denied when talking about migrant workers - their contribution via consumption is dismissed as negligible as they send their wages home. Just a thought.

Sundae · 05-10-2008, 02:08 PM

Doesn't say you have to pay the taxes first though?

View Poll Results: Where should College Students Vote
They should be allowed to choose their state of residence	6	40.00%
Their last state of residence before college, even if they were minors or not at all.	4	26.67%
The state where they attend college.	5	33.33%
Voters: 15. You may not vote on this poll

05-10-2008, 01:28 PM	#1
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	Should College Students be allowed to vote where they attend college I just ran across this mailer while doing some fact checking. So should college students be allowed to register where they attend college? Should they be forced to register in their last state of residence even if they were a minor at the time? Is it possible to have a situation where a student would be ineligible to vote anywhere? Is this fair? Unfortunately, there are not separate polls for national and state offices. Even if a state could make the claim that they do not consider certain people eligible to vote for state offices under Article I (sect 4) and Article II (sect 1), this could deny them their rights under Article IV (sect 2) and Amendments 14 (citizenship in state of residence) ,15 , 17, 19, 23, 24,and 26 (all voting or representations amendments). __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

05-10-2008, 01:34 PM	#2
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	where's the option for "don't care"? I really don't think it matters. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

05-10-2008, 01:51 PM	#5
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	They shouldn't be allowed to vote at all, until they've worked for a living and paid taxes. :p __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-03-2008, 10:23 PM	#7
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Who said anything about property? As long as the people who are not paying the bills continues to increase, they will keep voting themselves more entitlements. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-10-2008, 01:35 PM	#3
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	The towns where colleges are located really seem to push the whole "register here!" issue...especially when the Census comes around. I registered in my college town when I went away to school in '94, but then voided that and re-registered in St. Louis and voted absentee after the big '94 elections...that was more for pride though. It's a heck a lot easier to vote in your college town, but that could pose residency problems down the line, I think.

05-10-2008, 02:03 PM	#9
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Students should apply for postal registration for their home town. In my opinion it's better that they shouldn't be eligible to vote somewhere where they are (statistically) unlikely to be living for the full future term of the candidates. Yes, they might not end up living back where they came from either, but the fact that their families probably will, might prevent them from making protest votes? Hey Bruce - what happened to no taxation without representation? ETA due to Rich's post - in cases where the student does not have a permanent "home" ie family address, then of course their place of residence should be their college location. No-one of age should ever be denied the vote - many people in the past died to get the vote, its importance should never be under-estimated. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

05-11-2008, 12:41 AM	#12
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	You can't choose who represents you, but you can still bitch at them if you don't like the way they are doing it. They won't check to see if you're a registered voter or not. In truth they probably won't put much stock in your individual complaints either, but will add it to their constituent mood file of complaint topics. Are you planning on applying for citizenship? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-23-2008, 09:43 AM	#13
Skunks I thought I changed this. Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: western nowhere, ny Posts: 412	I vote in the town that I go to school; it was a vague semi-hawkish decision that I don't really know how to rationalize anymore; something about being more interested in voting in '06 in NY than in OR. But, as a question in the abstract: Change of residency seems almost to be on hiatus when in school; NY flatly states that, for the purposes of gaining residency (i.e. in-state tuition rates), for at least one year your primary reason for living in NY has to be something other than higher education. This makes me think that I can retain my OR residency, insofar as the DMV, my heart, etc, are concerned (never fully changed to NY residency), while voting and paying taxes (working only NY jobs, to avoid part-time-resident tax forms) in NY... Which really comes to the crux of the issue. Whether or not college students work, providing direct income tax for the town/etc, they're consumers on a vast scale, providing semi-direct income. It seems only reasonable to permit some political input, however flaccid.

05-10-2008, 02:08 PM	#15
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Doesn't say you have to pay the taxes first though? __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

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