Entitlements of prisoners

Aliantha · 02-12-2007, 06:03 AM

Recently a Muslim prisoner convicted of sexual assault used anti-discrimination laws in order to demand halal(sp?) food.

If a person commits a crime and is sent to prison as punishment, I don't believe they should get to dictate how their lives are run. I believe they forfeit all those rights once they make the decision to commit a crime. I also believe that if it's for religious reasons that they require the food (or any other special priviledges) then perhaps they should have thought of that prior to committing the crime. I'm not sure there's any religion which stipulates in their doctrine that it's ok to commit sexual assault. Most of them would say they're going to hell anyway, so what does it matter? Unless you're catholic of course. Then all you have to do is say a few hail mary's and you'll be fine.

DanaC · 02-12-2007, 06:28 AM

I see no problem whatsoever with a moslem prisoner being given halal food.

Sundae · 02-12-2007, 06:35 AM

I believe that if dietary requirements are a recognised part of an established religion they should be recognised. I don't see them as a privelege or a benefit of any sort - it's not like the prisoner is asking for brandy and cigars after every meal.

However I think if the cost of providing halal (or kosher) meat is prohibitive to the prison a vegetarian diet is an acceptable compromise.

I don't think that demanding that prisoners abandon any religious beliefs they have can possibly benefit anyone.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-12-2007, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

I don't think that demanding that prisoners abandon any religious beliefs they have can possibly benefit anyone.

I don't like culliflower. Therefore, when ever they serve it, they should provide me with parsnips. Why not? Why does anyone get special consideration, if not everyone?
What entitles the prisoner to impose even further cost on society? I'll bet providing halal food for this guy would be just as expensive as brandy and cigars. Maybe more so.
Another good reason for the death penalty, eliminate this kind of whining crap.

keryx · 02-12-2007, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

I don't think that demanding that prisoners abandon any religious beliefs they have can possibly benefit anyone.

Prisoners can believe whatever they want. However, the life they have chosen has severely restricted the practice and expression of those beliefs. That's one of the punishments of prison. You don't get what you want when you want it; your time is not your own, it belongs to the state. Perhaps the experience is meant to teach you that if you don't commit a crime then you can do what you want, including eat a halal diet.

DanaC · 02-12-2007, 06:39 AM

Well said Sundae.

Pie · 02-12-2007, 09:06 AM

Feed all prisoners soylent green!

Bullitt · 02-12-2007, 10:28 AM

Prisoners have done something to warrant the decision to remove them from society. No special amenities should be given to them what so ever. They have done something that shows that they are not fit to walk amongst regular society and so they should not be treated like regular society.

piercehawkeye45 · 02-12-2007, 11:26 AM

Prisoners should be treated well but they should also help out the community doing projects. Letting them rot in prisons won't do anything but waste tax payer money.

I'm guessing a 30 year old, tough looking, prisoner in jail for murder would be more convincing as a public speaker to keep kids out of drugs or gangs then a 40 year old mom could ever be.

Clodfobble · 02-12-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I'm guessing a 30 year old, tough looking, prisoner in jail for murder would be more convincing as a public speaker to keep kids out of drugs or gangs then a 40 year old mom could ever be.

In my (pretty rough) junior high school, we had a yearly program where convicts currently serving prison sentences would be brought it to talk to us.

The second year they only made the "at-risk" kids go again, but the 7th graders all had to go. The thing that seemed to make the biggest impression on the budding hoodlums was when this grizzled, muscular guy said, "It's not just that you get raped in prison, boys. It's that everyone has their needs, and after 20 years, I'm here to tell you that you do things like that willingly." They were all ready to turn over a new leaf, for at least a day or two...

Shawnee123 · 02-12-2007, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

In my (pretty rough) junior high school, we had a yearly program where convicts currently serving prison sentences would be brought it to talk to us.

The second year they only made the "at-risk" kids go again, but the 7th graders all had to go. The thing that seemed to make the biggest impression on the budding hoodlums was when this grizzled, muscular guy said, "It's not just that you get raped in prison, boys. It's that everyone has their needs, and after 20 years, I'm here to tell you that you do things like that willingly." They were all ready to turn over a new leaf, for at least a day or two...

That reminds me of that program from when I was younger "Scared Straight." As I recall, most of the kids went back to their same old ways after a time.

lumberjim · 02-12-2007, 11:59 AM

people in hell want ice water. but they aint gettin it.

Flint · 02-12-2007, 12:24 PM

If your religious conviction isn't strong enough to overcome this kind of superficial obstacle, then it isn't worth much.

DanaC · 02-12-2007, 12:49 PM

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I'll bet providing halal food for this guy would be just as expensive as brandy and cigars. Maybe more so.

In what was would halal food be as expensive as brandy and cigars? Get real.

Clodfobble · 02-12-2007, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

In what was would halal food be as expensive as brandy and cigars? Get real.

Halal requirements

A sample list of items which are either Haram (the opposite of Halal) or Mushbooh ("Items that are designated as mashbooh are items whose status is doubtful or questionable. Muslims who are exceedingly strict may reject all mashbooh items , certain sects within the faith will also reject some mashbooh items that other Muslims would accept."):

Animal fat
Animal Shortening
Bacon
Cholesterol
Collagen
Diglyceride(animal derived)
Emulsifiers
Enzymes
Fatty Acids
Gelatin
Glyseride
Glycerol/Glycerin
Glycerol Sterate
Glycogen
Hormones
Hydrolyzed Animal Protein
Lard
Lecithin(dependent on source of product)
Monoglycerides
Pepsin
Phospholipid
Pork
Soaps(soaps are unacceptable if derived from lard, beef tallow is acceptable)
Whey

02-12-2007, 06:03 AM	#1
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Entitlements of prisoners Recently a Muslim prisoner convicted of sexual assault used anti-discrimination laws in order to demand halal(sp?) food. If a person commits a crime and is sent to prison as punishment, I don't believe they should get to dictate how their lives are run. I believe they forfeit all those rights once they make the decision to commit a crime. I also believe that if it's for religious reasons that they require the food (or any other special priviledges) then perhaps they should have thought of that prior to committing the crime. I'm not sure there's any religion which stipulates in their doctrine that it's ok to commit sexual assault. Most of them would say they're going to hell anyway, so what does it matter? Unless you're catholic of course. Then all you have to do is say a few hail mary's and you'll be fine. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-12-2007, 06:35 AM	#3
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I believe that if dietary requirements are a recognised part of an established religion they should be recognised. I don't see them as a privelege or a benefit of any sort - it's not like the prisoner is asking for brandy and cigars after every meal. However I think if the cost of providing halal (or kosher) meat is prohibitive to the prison a vegetarian diet is an acceptable compromise. I don't think that demanding that prisoners abandon any religious beliefs they have can possibly benefit anyone. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

02-12-2007, 09:06 AM	#7
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Feed all prisoners soylent green! __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

02-12-2007, 10:28 AM	#8
Bullitt This is a fully functional babe lair Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 2,324	Prisoners have done something to warrant the decision to remove them from society. No special amenities should be given to them what so ever. They have done something that shows that they are not fit to walk amongst regular society and so they should not be treated like regular society. __________________ Kiss my white Irish ass.

02-12-2007, 11:59 AM	#12
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	people in hell want ice water. but they aint gettin it. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

02-12-2007, 06:28 AM	#2
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I see no problem whatsoever with a moslem prisoner being given halal food.

02-12-2007, 06:39 AM	#6
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Well said Sundae.

02-12-2007, 11:26 AM	#9
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Prisoners should be treated well but they should also help out the community doing projects. Letting them rot in prisons won't do anything but waste tax payer money. I'm guessing a 30 year old, tough looking, prisoner in jail for murder would be more convincing as a public speaker to keep kids out of drugs or gangs then a 40 year old mom could ever be.

02-12-2007, 12:24 PM	#13
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	If your religious conviction isn't strong enough to overcome this kind of superficial obstacle, then it isn't worth much. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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