Oh thank goodness the Democrats have power

Undertoad · 11-20-2006, 10:44 AM

As we know, the Democrats do not do things just for the political effect of scaring the shit out of you. So hopefully the effect of real leadership will show the electorate why the Ds should be trusted with the White House in 2008.

Amid Uproar Over War, Rangel Renews Call for Draft

Happy Monkey · 11-20-2006, 10:46 AM

Heh heh heh...

wolf · 11-20-2006, 01:42 PM

To whom will they complain and point blame when they screw up?

Flint · 11-20-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

To whom will they complain and point blame when they screw up?

They could take a tip from the Republicans and say everything is somehow Clinton's fault?

Shawnee123 · 11-20-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

They could take a tip from the Republicans and say everything is somehow Clinton's fault?

Yeah, Clinton't balanced budget was only the result of the groundwork laid by the republicans. The huge federal deficit of today is a result of groundwork laid by the Clinton administration. Makes perfect sense!

Trilby · 11-20-2006, 03:10 PM

The threat of a draft is a shock tactic. You all should know that.

11-20-2006, 03:44 PM

I think its a gambit for pulling us out of the War. At this point, we just don't have the troop strength that a victory -NOT 'mission accomplished' - would require. We either get out, re-instate the draft, or continue in pointless carnage over there ad infinitum. That's our three choices.

Or Canada could invade the US, making us ALL Canadian citizens, and the War could be dropped as not Canada's problem.

Trilby · 11-20-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by marichiko

Or Canada could invade the US, making us ALL Canadian citizens, and the War could be dropped as not Canada's problem.

Well...okay. But I won't adopt a Canadian accent! I JUST WON'T!

tw · 11-21-2006, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

The threat of a draft is a shock tactic. You all should know that.

Threat of a draft should never be considered directly part of the "Mission Accomplished" war. Draft should be thought of as consequences of two other reasons (or mistakes). Majority of Americans approved of those reasons without first thinking (of those consequences – as RichLevy did and posted so often previously).

Threat of a draft goes right to our purpose in this world. Under pre-emption (which intelligent presidents would not practice), a draft is necessary because we need more troops to fix the world. We need troops to impose democracy on the world. Iraq is one example of what Americans advocated when they approved of pre-emption after 11 September. Draft made necessary by 'knee jerk' decisions. We decided pre-emption is our doctrine - to impose democracy on the world. Therefore a draft is required.

A completely different topic: what is necessary to solve "Mission Accomplished"? We have three choices - 'go big', 'go long', or 'go home'. It does not matter what domestic consequences may be. Decisions are made by breaking problems down into parts. First decide militarily. Which will work? 'Go big' might have worked. 'Go long' which means 'stay the course' or changing troop levels by 10,000s is widely acknowledged as defeat placed upon another president. 'Go long' was how Richard Nixon made sure the Nam defeat was not on his watch. 'Go home' is also a workable solution once we bury lying political rhetoric such as 'war on terror'.

OK. Two possible military solutions exist. Since problem was broken down into military and domestic, now we are ready to ask about how 'go big' can be implemented domestically. Well that means an immediate draft because those 500,000 troops must be deployed now (‘go big will not work next year) AND we need troops immediately to fill gaps. Problems are broken down into long, painful (and therefore wordy) explanations. 'Go big' means we need a draft and we need '90 day wonders' immediately.

'Go long' is a failed solution in military terms. 'Go long is how the "Mission Accomplished" defeat gets blamed on some other president. We do not even consider it.

'Go home' is the only other military solution. Is that acceptable in our domestic environment? Yes, once Americans acknowledge that the only good options existed four years ago - and were not exercised. Think like an engineer. What we do today creates bottom line results four and more years later. What we did four years ago – well long time Cellar dweller read those warnings in 2003.

'Go big' and the doctrine of 'pre-emption' both mean we need a draft. We have already endorsed a mental midget's international doctrine called 'pre-emption'. Therefore a draft is necessary - or maybe 'pre-emption' was only approved by those so anti-American as to not first think?

What did you think Rangel is talking about? Provided are two reasons America needs a draft. You don't want a draft? Then start by attacking reasons (and president) that create the need.

You don't want a draft? Then 'mental midget' is a standard expression in your posts. Draft is necessary for two separate reasons. Want to eliminate the draft? Eliminate reasons why the draft is necessary. One solution is called impeachment (impeach who?).

12-01-2006, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tw

...One solution is called impeachment (impeach who?).

Every-single one of them that lied.
Then prosecute all that helped them do it.

tw · 12-01-2006, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Every-single one of them that lied.

George Jr obviously was lying (mobile vans doing biological weapons, aluminum tubes, uranium from Niger, Saddam and bin Laden conspired, Saddam wanted to attack the US, Iraq was a threat to all its neighbors, etc). If we impeach George Jr, then what do we get? Cheney. George Jr is only the spokesman. Cheney is the decision maker. Cheney even denied Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction long after everyone in the American military knew no such Iraqi weapons existed. Impeach George Jr and we only get the real problem as President. Nothing useful is accomplished. The problem still remains.

No doubt exists to any informed person that George Jr lied and lied repeatedly to create a "Mission Accomplished" war. He even lied about "Mission Accomplished".

glatt · 12-01-2006, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

He even lied about "Mission Accomplished".

I bet Rove really regrets setting up that photo op.

Happy Monkey · 11-20-2006, 04:09 PM

We can increase troops, stay the course, or pull out.

Bush won't pull out.
Staying the course gets worse and worse each day.

To increase the troops, we can extend tours even further, reassign troops from other locations, and/or have a draft. The first two options have a hard upper limit on how many troops can be raised. Is it enough? If not, then a draft is needed.

Undertoad · 11-20-2006, 04:32 PM

Ooooh!

So are ya scared yet? Did he gitcha?

Happy Monkey · 11-20-2006, 05:12 PM

Scared of what? It's pure math.

11-20-2006, 10:44 AM	#1
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Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	The threat of a draft is a shock tactic. You all should know that. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

11-20-2006, 04:09 PM	#13
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	We can increase troops, stay the course, or pull out. Bush won't pull out. Staying the course gets worse and worse each day. To increase the troops, we can extend tours even further, reassign troops from other locations, and/or have a draft. The first two options have a hard upper limit on how many troops can be raised. Is it enough? If not, then a draft is needed. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-20-2006, 03:44 PM	#7
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	I think its a gambit for pulling us out of the War. At this point, we just don't have the troop strength that a victory -NOT 'mission accomplished' - would require. We either get out, re-instate the draft, or continue in pointless carnage over there ad infinitum. That's our three choices. Or Canada could invade the US, making us ALL Canadian citizens, and the War could be dropped as not Canada's problem.

11-20-2006, 04:32 PM	#14
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Ooooh! So are ya scared yet? Did he gitcha?

11-20-2006, 05:12 PM	#15
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Scared of what? It's pure math. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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