What is it to be Christian ?

10-26-2006, 03:22 AM

I am a Christian .

lumberjim · 10-26-2006, 06:04 AM

you're also an asshole. are these things related?

Pie · 10-26-2006, 07:34 AM

Stormieweather · 10-26-2006, 08:43 AM

Just because you say you are, doesn't make it so.

Claiming you belong to a certain religious sect is meaningless unless you behave in accordance with the actions expected of such members as taught by the religious leaders of said organization.

I know 'muslims' who do not pray 6 times a day and who scarf porkchops. I know 'christians' who are judgemental, hypocritical, and abusive. I know 'catholics' who do not go to confession or who have been divorced.

Actions speak louder than words.

Stormie

Happy Monkey · 10-26-2006, 12:36 PM

I think that the only common thread among all Christians is the belief that Jesus is on a supernatural level above prophet.

mrnoodle · 10-26-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

I think that the only common thread among all Christians is the belief that Jesus is on a supernatural level above prophet.

More than that, he's the son of God, and he offered himself as a sacrifice to pay the penalty for our sin. The important distinction is the oneness with God himself.

Happy Monkey · 10-26-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

More than that, he's the son of God, and he offered himself as a sacrifice to pay the penalty for our sin. The important distinction is the oneness with God himself.

I don't think all Christian sects agree on that. Mormons certainly don't. Though I don't disagree that many sects who do agree with that would say that those that don't aren't real Christians.

10-30-2006, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

I think that the only common thread among all Christians is the belief that Jesus is on a supernatural level above prophet.

That is a Christian... a follower of Christ does their VERY BEST to live by his teachings. A very different person all together.
One is the politics of faith, the other is a faithful.

Jesus' word is very clear on many things, but in the US you will find the worst hypocrisy on many levels... most "pro-livers" will line up howling for blood ready to cast that first stone every time there is an execution because they just love to support and sanction state murder. A clear hypocrisy of many of Christ's teachings... but they will always cite the OT, just like with homosexuality, an abomination, not even a sin, same as eating shrimp, wearing a polyester/cotton blend shirt or planting peas and corn in the same field.
But, they will wash their car on Saturday, the sabbath, a MORTAL SIN, every damn weekend, without blinking an eye even though Christ clearly stated to obey the Commandments.
I think it's cute, it shows where the priorities clearly lay.

smoothmoniker · 10-30-2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Jesus' word is very clear on many things, but in the US you will find the worst hypocrisy on many levels... most "pro-livers" will line up howling for blood ready to cast that first stone every time there is an execution because they just love to support and sanction state murder. A clear hypocrisy of many of Christ's teachings... but they will always cite the OT, just like with homosexuality, an abomination, not even a sin, same as eating shrimp, wearing a polyester/cotton blend shirt or planting peas and corn in the same field.
But, they will wash their car on Saturday, the sabbath, a MORTAL SIN, every damn weekend, without blinking an eye even though Christ clearly stated to obey the Commandments.
I think it's cute, it shows where the priorities clearly lay.

You know what bugs the hell out of me? This statement is really, really bad analysis of both the bible, and of the theology that comes out of it. But you won't waste 3 minutes of honest-to-god attention to unravel any of it, because the conclusion you've already come to fits too well with your existing view of the world. Let's start with just this:

!) There are many pro-lifers who are ardently anti-death penalty. You just don't want to see them, because they don't fit your conception of how things are.

2) The injunctions against homosexuality aren't limited to the Old Testament, they are repeated in the New Testament. And just what do you think "abomination" means, that it's somehow a separate category from "sin"?

3) The command to obey the Sabbath was specifically, emphatically overturned by Jesus.

I'm so f*%king tired of being lectured in biblical exegesis by hacks and drive-bys.

Spexxvet · 10-30-2006, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by smoothmoniker

You know what bugs the hell out of me? This statement is really, really bad analysis of both the bible, and of the theology that comes out of it. But you won't waste 3 minutes of honest-to-god attention to unravel any of it, because the conclusion you've already come to fits too well with your existing view of the world. Let's start with just this:

!) There are many pro-lifers who are ardently anti-death penalty. You just don't want to see them, because they don't fit your conception of how things are.

2) The injunctions against homosexuality aren't limited to the Old Testament, they are repeated in the New Testament. And just what do you think "abomination" means, that it's somehow a separate category from "sin"?

3) The command to obey the Sabbath was specifically, emphatically overturned by Jesus.

I'm so f*%king tired of being lectured in biblical exegesis by hacks and drive-bys.

Citations? References?

RK probably sees anti-choice and pro-death penalty linked because they are both supported by conservative repubicans.

Flint · 10-26-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

I think that the only common thread among all Christians is the belief that Jesus is on a supernatural level above prophet.

I wonder if that common thread could be defined simply as: believing in the message of Jesus?
That would shift the question of supernatural status to the level personal interpretation.

footfootfoot · 10-26-2006, 12:56 PM

just say no to spam and trolls

lumberjim · 10-26-2006, 05:32 PM

is he the son of god, or god, or both?

morethanpretty · 10-26-2006, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

is he the son of god, or god, or both?

Trinity: Son, Father, Holy Ghost

Holy Ghost: The spirit of God that lives within you.
Father: The being in which the holy power is derived or contained.
Son: The sacrifice that opened the connection between humans and the Father.
That the best explanation I know, but they are all three are really one, they are just seperated to show different purposes.

Flint · 10-26-2006, 08:26 PM

Of the three parts of the Trinity, which one did the "Intelligent Designing" of biological mechanisms?

10-26-2006, 03:22 AM	#1
Buddug Guest Posts: n/a	What is it to be Christian ? I am a Christian .

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10-26-2006, 08:43 AM	#4
Stormieweather Wearing her bitch boots Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Floriduh Posts: 1,181	Just because you say you are, doesn't make it so. Claiming you belong to a certain religious sect is meaningless unless you behave in accordance with the actions expected of such members as taught by the religious leaders of said organization. I know 'muslims' who do not pray 6 times a day and who scarf porkchops. I know 'christians' who are judgemental, hypocritical, and abusive. I know 'catholics' who do not go to confession or who have been divorced. Actions speak louder than words. Stormie __________________ "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Mahatma Gandhi

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Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I think that the only common thread among all Christians is the belief that Jesus is on a supernatural level above prophet. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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10-26-2006, 05:32 PM	#13
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	is he the son of god, or god, or both? __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

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Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Of the three parts of the Trinity, which one did the "Intelligent Designing" of biological mechanisms? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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