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Old 10-03-2006, 10:38 AM   #1
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If you outlaw guns, then only....

"He had a 9-milimeter semiautomatic pistol, two shotguns, a stun gun, two knives, two cans of gunpowder and 600 rounds of ammunition."

"They're still looking for an AK-47 he stole from his parents' house," Sergeant Gervasi said."



Yay America!!! Yay NRA!!! Yay guns!!!

If I don't like this country, I should move to another. Netherlands? Sweeden?
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Old 10-03-2006, 07:06 PM   #2
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We've got some pretty strict gun laws over here Panglo. You're not even allowed to own a hand gun unless you're in a gun club and even then there are very strict laws as to what is acceptable and what's not. You can't own a semi-automatic unless you're a farmer and even then again, it's sometimes difficult. You can own a shotgun though, or just about any kind of rifle provided it's not semi or automatic.
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Old 10-03-2006, 07:15 PM   #3
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Try Switzerland....


Their laws require every household to have access to arms......

when did you last hear of a school massacre in Switzerland?
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Old 10-03-2006, 07:57 PM   #4
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Try Switzerland....
Their laws require every household to have access to arms......
And laws also require every person be trained even more than what is required for a driver's license. Not everyone in Switzerland has a gun. Some are denied guns for obvious reasons. Extensive, repetitive training and responsibility tend to identify and deny guns to those who are not responsible. In America - screw responsibility. One can be so irresponsible as to be denied a driver's license - and still have rights to a gun.

Again, no one (except extremists) is talking about banning guns. Responsible behavior that is missing in America and not missing in Switzerland. Why so much hype about rights and so little demand for reponsibility? Without responsibility, then no rights exist. Or do guns instead provide those rights?
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Old 10-04-2006, 12:26 PM   #5
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Try Switzerland....


Their laws require every household to have access to arms......

when did you last hear of a school massacre in Switzerland?
Not EVERY household, just those where men between the ages of 18 and 60 reside. Switzerland has a true militia. All adult men train for 6 weeks every year or two years (I forget which). They keep their guns at home in case there is a national emergency where Switzerland must quickly deploy to protect its borders. Obviously, the Swiss do not issue a gun to a guy who is schizophrenic or something, but other than that...

This armed citizenry was one reason Hitler never invaded Switzerland. He could have done it, probably, but at an extremely high cost which he was not willing to pay.

As others have mentioned, the problem here in the US is cultural. We are a far more diverse country than Switzerland. Switzerland also has far less stringent drug laws. You can walk into a Swiss pharmacy and buy nearly anything you want WITHOUT a prescription. And finally, Switzerland does not suffer from the legacy of slavery which we in the US must stil deal with every day. For example, one in six black American men between the ages of 18 and 30 are in or will be in prison.

We need to work on US societal issues, not ban guns.
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Old 10-03-2006, 08:06 PM   #6
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You can be smart around firearms or stupid around them.

Fear often leads to stupidity.
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Old 10-04-2006, 04:55 AM   #7
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Fear often leads to stupidity.
Perceived fear is the enemy here. America has a screwed-up idea of media to thank for that.

Remove the prejudice from media and you have your solution, just how that’s ever going to be achieved I don't know, especially when we consider how much political power and media are so heavily intertwined in this modern world.


EDIT: An unhealthy obsession with guns and ammo & shit doesn't help much either. Perhaps a change in role models is required.
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Old 10-04-2006, 09:27 AM   #8
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An unhealthy obsession with guns and ammo & shit doesn't help much either.
Phobias aren't healthy either. Hoplophobia comes to mind.
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Old 10-04-2006, 09:24 AM   #9
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If I don't like this country, I should move to another. Netherlands? Sweeden?
Indeed...and do take that animistic idea that objects can be implicitly evil (rather than people) with you.
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Old 10-04-2006, 09:32 AM   #10
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This thread is balanced. That makes me warm and fuzzy inside. Carry on.
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Old 10-04-2006, 09:55 AM   #11
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I noticed that hoplophobia, which I at first thought was the fear of rabbits, is not recognized in the DSM.

I think I'm suffering from pseudophobiaphobia!
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Old 10-04-2006, 12:21 PM   #12
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I noticed that hoplophobia, which I at first thought was the fear of rabbits, is not recognized in the DSM.
That is a great point, Shawnee!
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Old 10-04-2006, 12:22 PM   #13
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That is a great point, Shawnee!
Why, thank you. I'm staying out of the debate because I've had all the conflict I can take for one week, but I thought it was important to note!
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Old 10-07-2006, 10:36 PM   #14
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I noticed that hoplophobia, which I at first thought was the fear of rabbits, is not recognized in the DSM.
Yes, and homosexuality used to be *in* the DSM. Stuff goes in and out of the DSM for political reasons all the time.
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Old 10-07-2006, 10:43 PM   #15
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I vote for someone to give Ibram a gun to shoot UG!
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