to fear the lord is to hate evil

Flint · 07-31-2006, 11:59 AM

I saw this messgae on a church billboard. I was amazed that somebody (or a group of people?) thought that this messgae made any sense whatsoever.

Off the top of my head, I first wondered whether fear or hate are useful states of mind. Next, I wondered whether evil even exists. Then, I wondered...the connection? :::baffled:::

I am impressed that they managed to get absolutely nothing right in this message. And yet there it is, out there on the roadside, advertising: this is what we stand for. Join us.

Happy Monkey · 07-31-2006, 12:04 PM

Fear leads to anger, and anger leads to hate. So to fear the Lord is to hate the Lord. Therefore, the Lord is evil. QED.

Flint · 07-31-2006, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Fear leads to anger, and anger leads to hate. So to fear the Lord is to hate the Lord. Therefore, the Lord is evil. QED.

I'm e-mailing that to my wife! ha ha ha (she saw it with me)

Clodfobble · 07-31-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

I was amazed that somebody (or a group of people?) thought that this messgae made any sense whatsoever.

It's a direct quote from the Bible. Proverbs 8:13:

"To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech."

smoothmoniker · 07-31-2006, 04:29 PM

it's good to bear in mind that "fear" is a pretty thin word for what is a pretty thick concept in hebraic literature. Don't assume that what we see on quick read, 3,000 years later, is what was meant by the writer.

Flint · 07-31-2006, 06:21 PM

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Don't assume that what we see on quick read, 3,000 years later, is what was meant by the writer.

For my part, I don't assume anything. But I am interested specifically in that this is what is being marketted to the masses.

Elspode · 08-08-2006, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by smoothmoniker

it's good to bear in mind that "fear" is a pretty thin word for what is a pretty thick concept in hebraic literature. Don't assume that what we see on quick read, 3,000 years later, is what was meant by the writer.

What? You mean every word in the Bible isn't supposed to be taken literally as the divinely inspired word of God?

Oh, great. And here I went and became Pagan for nothing. I thought I had to buy all of that stuff verbatim, and I just couldn't do that.

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-09-2006, 03:50 AM

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What? You mean every word in the Bible isn't supposed to be taken literally as the divinely inspired word of God?

Oh, great. And here I went and became Pagan for nothing. I thought I had to buy all of that stuff verbatim, and I just couldn't do that.

Well now, don't you feel silly?

I know and like several pagans, but I just don't see the point of going pagan. Ethical monotheism (viz., Dennis Prager) seems to me a step up.

wolf · 07-31-2006, 06:30 PM

Meanings of words change with time.

In King James Version terms, to 'Fear', when talking about God, is synonymous with 'respect', 'reverence', 'piety', 'awe toward a supreme power', rather than 'afraid of.'

I think we had a discussion of when gay used to mean happy, somewhere ...

KinkyVixen · 08-02-2006, 05:27 PM

I've seen a lot worse things...advertised on billboards...things that are portrayed to the mass media. Is it because it's a church? Or is it because the wording didn't seem to make sense?

Flint · 08-02-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KinkyVixen

Is it because it's a church? Or is it because the wording didn't seem to make sense?

Because the wording doesn't make sense, compounded by the fact that people presume to "live by" these words.
IE, how can you "live by" something that doesn't make any sense? It's like voluntary insanity.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-03-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Because the wording doesn't make sense, compounded by the fact that people presume to "live by" these words.
IE, how can you "live by" something that doesn't make any sense? It's like voluntary insanity.

By "Church Billboard", I'm thinking the signs they put out at the church....on the building or free standing on the lawn? The sign wasn't meant for you, it was meant for people who belong and understand.

Those signs aren't recruiting posters, they're notices for those that have already enlisted....or been drafted. Mostly for the enlisted that have been derelict in their duties.

That sign makes as much sense to you, as your tech manuals make to the janitor.....the words are familiar but the sentence doesn't make sense.

You seem to think these "billboard" messages are some king of prophetic or profound ideologies. No, they're gimmicks to catch the attention of the recruits.....to get them thinking about the church....prod them to feel guilty about their dereliction of duty.

You also seem to think the recruits take the tricks of the trade, seriously.
Silly bunny...tricks are for kids.

glatt · 08-03-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Those signs aren't recruiting posters, they're notices for those that have already enlisted....or been drafted. Mostly for the enlisted that have been derelict in their duties.

Very insightful. It's obvious in hindsight, but it never would have occurred to me.

Flint · 08-04-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

By "Church Billboard", I'm thinking the signs they put out at the church....on the building or free standing on the lawn?

I don't know what to call them. The signs right in front of the church, out by the road, with plastic letters that are changed every week. Everybody that drives by sees the clever catch-phrase of the week.

skysidhe · 08-02-2006, 09:48 PM

When I read signs like that I think it means if you are afraid of god sending to hell you will hate evil. Evil meaning anything that church finds unacceptable.
It could be anything. Gold earrings, body peircings, tatoos, rock and roll music Well those examples are on the extreme end but you get the idea.

I think the word 'fear' is suppose to mean what wolf said but people are sheep with grown up sheep leaders leading them. Regurgitating the same ole spin.

Fear and hate are not useful states of mind.
If there is a thing as evil then I am pretty sure it's my brother and we should seek to understand how it operates in us?

07-31-2006, 11:59 AM	#1
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	to fear the lord is to hate evil I saw this messgae on a church billboard. I was amazed that somebody (or a group of people?) thought that this messgae made any sense whatsoever. Off the top of my head, I first wondered whether fear or hate are useful states of mind. Next, I wondered whether evil even exists. Then, I wondered...the connection? :::baffled::: I am impressed that they managed to get absolutely nothing right in this message. And yet there it is, out there on the roadside, advertising: this is what we stand for. Join us. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

07-31-2006, 12:04 PM	#2
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Fear leads to anger, and anger leads to hate. So to fear the Lord is to hate the Lord. Therefore, the Lord is evil. QED. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

07-31-2006, 04:29 PM	#5
smoothmoniker to live and die in LA Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,090	it's good to bear in mind that "fear" is a pretty thin word for what is a pretty thick concept in hebraic literature. Don't assume that what we see on quick read, 3,000 years later, is what was meant by the writer. __________________ to live and die in LA

07-31-2006, 06:30 PM	#9
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Meanings of words change with time. In King James Version terms, to 'Fear', when talking about God, is synonymous with 'respect', 'reverence', 'piety', 'awe toward a supreme power', rather than 'afraid of.' I think we had a discussion of when gay used to mean happy, somewhere ... __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

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KinkyVixen Marching In! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 580	I've seen a lot worse things...advertised on billboards...things that are portrayed to the mass media. Is it because it's a church? Or is it because the wording didn't seem to make sense? __________________ "Smile before bed.You'll sleep better."

08-02-2006, 09:48 PM	#15
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	When I read signs like that I think it means if you are afraid of god sending to hell you will hate evil. Evil meaning anything that church finds unacceptable. It could be anything. Gold earrings, body peircings, tatoos, rock and roll music Well those examples are on the extreme end but you get the idea. I think the word 'fear' is suppose to mean what wolf said but people are sheep with grown up sheep leaders leading them. Regurgitating the same ole spin. Fear and hate are not useful states of mind. If there is a thing as evil then I am pretty sure it's my brother and we should seek to understand how it operates in us?

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