The Pharmaceutical Industry

TheMercenary · 06-12-2009, 07:31 AM

I hope they hammer these people. This crap has to stop.

Lilly Sold Drug for Dementia Knowing It Didn’t Help, Files Show

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June 12 (Bloomberg) -- Eli Lilly & Co. urged doctors to prescribe Zyprexa for elderly patients with dementia, an unapproved use for the antipsychotic, even though the drugmaker had evidence the medicine didn’t work for such patients, according to unsealed internal company documents.

In 1999, four years after Lilly sent study results to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration showing Zyprexa didn’t alleviate dementia symptoms in older patients, it began marketing the drug to those very people, according to documents unsealed in insurer suits against the company for overpayment.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aTLcF3zT1Pdo

glatt · 06-12-2009, 07:49 AM

Was that when Bush was on the board of directors at Lilly?

(where's that shit stirring smiley?)

TheMercenary · 06-12-2009, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt

Was that when Bush was on the board of directors at Lilly?

(where's that shit stirring smiley?)

Was he really? According the article it all started in 1998. So I don't know.

glatt · 06-12-2009, 08:31 AM

Bush I was on the board of directors in the 70s, and Bush II appointed the CEO who ran the company during this time period to a position on the Homeland Security Advisory Council.

classicman · 06-12-2009, 07:55 AM

hmm - not sure of the validity of this glatt, but ...

Shawnee123 · 06-12-2009, 08:46 AM

Oh crud, I was hoping there were some decongestants in this thread.

Clodfobble · 06-12-2009, 09:12 AM

Well at least those old people weren't using untested home remedies. God knows those don't work.

Happy Monkey · 06-12-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Well at least those old people weren't using untested home remedies. God knows those don't work.

Indeed. (non-blog-link)

classicman · 06-12-2009, 09:32 AM

very good Clod, very good.

Clodfobble · 06-12-2009, 10:24 AM

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The lone exception [in herbal remedies]: ginger capsules may help chemotherapy nausea.

As for therapies, acupuncture has been shown to help certain conditions, and yoga, massage, meditation and other relaxation methods may relieve symptoms like pain, anxiety and fatigue.

Yep. Looks like a small percentage of the remedies actually work. Just like pharmaceuticals. I applaud the government for bothering to check.

Flint · 06-12-2009, 10:30 AM

Wait, I'm confused...the title says "NONE OF THESE REMEDIES WORK" but the article says that some of them do.

Which do I believe? The title can't be wrong, can it?

jinx · 06-12-2009, 10:53 AM

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In 1999, four years after Lilly sent study results to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration showing Zyprexa didn’t alleviate dementia symptoms in older patients, it began marketing the drug to those very people

The slackers didn't even bother to fabricate their research results? They've got a lot to learn from Merck and Pfizer...

Happy Monkey · 06-12-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Yep. Looks like a small percentage of the remedies actually work. Just like pharmaceuticals. I applaud the government for bothering to check.

And now that they've checked, what will happen to the "alternative medicines" that failed the test? I'm guessing that ginger for chemo is not a significant percentage of their business.

When Lily advertises a drug for something that studies have found it has no effect on, it is a scandal, and rightly so. It should be an even bigger scandal for the "alternative medicine" industry, for whom that is the business model. Lily could have put Zyprexa in the herbal remedy aisle with a few testimonials and they wouldn't have needed to do any testing in the first place.

jinx · 06-12-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

When Lily advertises a drug for something that studies have found it has no effect on, it is a scandal, and rightly so. It should be an even bigger scandal for the "alternative medicine" industry, for whom that is the business model.

I don't understand why you think the alternative medicine industry is the bigger scandal. If I buy a box of medicinal tea or some quack colon cleanser it's a few of my dollars and may or may not benefit me... shouldn't really matter to anyone else. If I go to the doctor and get prescribed some daily dosage, habit forming drug that costs my insurance co $500 a month for the rest of my life, raising everyone's premiums, is only a bit more effective than a sugar pill but could have some serious side effects.... well you can guess which scenario I think would be bigger scandal...

Happy Monkey · 06-13-2009, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jinx

I don't understand why you think the alternative medicine industry is the bigger scandal.

Because the worst practices of the medical industry, the unfortunate examples that make up the bulk of these anti-pharmaceutical news articles, are the standard practice of the alternatives. Advertising and profit are corrupting forces on the industry. But that's all there is in the alternative industry - they are the pharmaceutical industry without the clinical trials.

The fact that some clinical trials are botched is not a good reason to skip them altogether.

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glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Was that when Bush was on the board of directors at Lilly? (where's that shit stirring smiley?)

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