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11-23-2007, 07:18 PM | #1 |
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Dazza has a student doing her thesis on ways of managing the levels of carp in freshwater rivers in Australia. Carp are a huge problem here and are causing a lot of decay to the habitat of some of our native fish. They are also contributing to the silting up of many rivers because they suck the mud from the river banks which causes them to collapse which then obviously makes the river shallower and wider etc. Anyway, the thesis topic is very relevant as far as her environmental management degree is concerned.
The problem she has is this. The university policy is that any animals used for experiments may not have death as an 'end point'. While this seems fair and rational, the problem is that the student has had to harvest carp from rivers (good for the environment and totally legal because they're considered to be a noxious pest) but she can't release them back into the rivers alive because they're considered to be a noxious pest. So you see the conundrum she is in. The only good solution Dazza and I have been able to think of is that perhaps she could give the carp to someone as 'pets' and then that person could let them die. What do you think?
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11-23-2007, 08:06 PM | #2 |
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Can carp be eaten? Or does being food still count as generic "death?"
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11-23-2007, 08:09 PM | #3 |
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It still counts as death. Carp taste like crap in general too, although some people seem to think they can make them taste good. My opinion is that making them taste good generally means you totally hide the flavour of the fish with other strong flavours.
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She should check with a food bank. As long as they were alive when handed off there shouldn't be an issue. Is she sure that the 'alive' rule applies to 'pests'? If she were studying tapeworms, would she have to find new hosts for them? Besides, almost any fish tastes good battered and fried. Fish and chips, anyone? Seriously, one way of managing a 'pest' is to find an economical way to exploit it. Finding ways to make carp an attractive food source might allow the public to solve the problem. An eatable fish with no fishing limits? Mankind has a tendency to overfish fish that are edible.
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11-23-2007, 08:14 PM | #5 |
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skeet shooting ???
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11-23-2007, 08:18 PM | #6 |
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Maybe a school classroom would like a few? How many does she have to get rid of?
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11-23-2007, 08:22 PM | #7 |
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There's about 200 or so. Might need a few schools to participate, but that's a great idea.
Keep them coming!
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11-23-2007, 08:23 PM | #8 |
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turn them over to fish and game , let them deal with them
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11-23-2007, 08:28 PM | #9 |
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That's a good idea too Zippy. It'll need to be looked into because it might not be possible, in fact the student may be liable to be fined for keeping them alive. Still not a bad idea though and worth a bit of investigation.
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11-23-2007, 08:37 PM | #10 |
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she could be fined for keeping them ???
Tag and release them , Just tag them with a brick
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11-23-2007, 08:42 PM | #11 |
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well depending on how pedantic the government body is, they may consider her to be cultivating them if they happen to breed while she has them etc.
Dazza would advise her to do a reasonable amount of research on that one, but still thinks it's a good option to look into. He likes the brick idea too but thinks it might not fall within the parameters of 'legal' for this problem.
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11-23-2007, 08:47 PM | #12 |
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OH I have it !!!!
Take them out on your boat and release them with a hook in the as bait !!!!
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11-24-2007, 01:21 AM | #13 |
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Hmmmm...don't think that'll work mate. Nice try though.
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11-24-2007, 02:44 AM | #15 |
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...in the way that killing animals is wrong?
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