Ohio lethal injection takes 2 hours, 10 tries

05-26-2007, 01:25 PM

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/LAW/05/2....ap/index.html

Capitol punishment is barbaric and just makes murderers of us all.

wolf · 05-26-2007, 03:44 PM

Executions get botched every now and again.

There weren't "ten tries" to execute him ... it took ten attempts to establish an IV line. BIG difference. Guy was a junkie, and they couldn't get a decent vein. Might be a good idea to consider a PICC instead of just an IV, but that's a surgical procedure and requires that an xray be taken to establish correct placement of the line.

Would have been nice had the fellow thought murder was barbaric before he beat and killed his cellmate in an argument over a chess game.

Undertoad · 05-26-2007, 03:47 PM

I'm against capital punishment but on the other hand, waah waaaah, dey hurt da wittle murdewer, waah. Was there a comfy cushion for his ass while they tried to find a vein?

lizzymahoney · 05-26-2007, 04:50 PM

Clarification: this man was not said to be an intravenous drug user. That reference was to the previous 'botched' execution of another prisoner where they could not establish an IV line.

This man was larger than usual and that was the reason the line was difficult to establish.

Also consider that most health professionals accustomed to putting in IVs would not participate in an execution. Totally my guess here, but it probably is done by a military trained field medic rather than a practicing medical specialist. There would have to be a doctor to certify the death and oversee the injections, but the doc is nowhere near the condemned man. That person is in a separate room.

A PICC is probably too invasive, being an order of magnitude more involved than a simple IV lock.

Can you tell I'm in a death penalty state? ugh.

wolf · 05-26-2007, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lizzymahoney

Clarification: this man was not said to be an intravenous drug user. That reference was to the previous 'botched' execution of another prisoner where they could not establish an IV line.

This man was larger than usual and that was the reason the line was difficult to establish.

I misread the article. Thanks for pointing this out. Even so, 265 pounds is not that fat.

I would doubt that some sort of a field medic, whether military or paramedic, was the one to establish an IV line.

Rule of thumb ... doctor = 10 tries, no starts.
Medic = 1 try, one start, while in the back of an ambulance doing 45 mph over potholes, with lots of turns. There was a line in an episode of Saved that made me laugh, because it's so true ... "Give me 10 seconds of smooth," because that's really all they need.

05-28-2007, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

I'm against capital punishment but on the other hand, waah waaaah, dey hurt da wittle murdewer, waah. Was there a comfy cushion for his ass while they tried to find a vein?

I see it differently.
The worse they are, the more clearly it illustrates how wrong murder is and that is what we become by murdering them.... we just become what they are.

Killers? NOT!
Killing a guy strapped to a bed or chair is murder... in no possible universe can that be construed as self-defense, what a joke!!!
"OH GOD! He blinked at MEEEEEEEE!!!"

xoxoxoBruce · 05-28-2007, 01:55 AM

It has nothing to do with self defense. All that kill are killers. There are different kinds of killers... murderer is one of those kinds. Executioner is another, as is euthanizer, and soldier.
Oh, don't forget gun owner and woman scorned.

Beestie · 05-28-2007, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I see it differently.
The worse they are, the more clearly it illustrates how wrong murder is and that is what we become by murdering them.... we just become what they are.

Life in a concrete box or death. The only difference is time. And we aren't just like they are. They killed an innocent. We killed a killer.

Trilby · 05-26-2007, 04:55 PM

what is so strange is that anyone cares that a PICC is too invasive. Dude, the guy is toast---who cares if its invasive?? He's not going to die of an infection.

I have very mixed feelings about the death penalty. I always feel bad for the person being executed and then I read what they did to their victim(s) and wonder what took the state so long to ice them. It's one of "those" issues.

busterb · 05-26-2007, 06:04 PM

At VA I've poked till I say that's it. Go get an IV nurse. I try to let them have 3 shots, but not if they miss by inches.

piercehawkeye45 · 05-26-2007, 09:38 PM

I am against capital punishment but the way we run prisons today is very inefficient.

Manuel labor and community service is much better for punishment and they put something back to the community instead of just taking more in the form of taxes.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-27-2007, 12:03 AM

It could be easily avoided, along with the expense, by just stoning them. Stones are reusable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Capitol punishment is barbaric and just makes murderers of us all.

No, not murders, killers.

Beestie · 05-27-2007, 01:53 AM

Ten tries?

Just shove the damn needle into his aorta.

Ten tries. Scoff.

Clodfobble · 05-27-2007, 03:42 PM

It usually takes three tries for me. I have tiny veins that "like to roll," apparently. My record is six.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-27-2007, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

It usually takes three tries for me. I have tiny veins that "like to roll," apparently. My record is six.

Ah Ha. I knew you were a slippery devil.

05-26-2007, 01:25 PM	#1
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Ohio lethal injection takes 2 hours, 10 tries http://edition.cnn.com/2007/LAW/05/2....ap/index.html Capitol punishment is barbaric and just makes murderers of us all.

05-26-2007, 03:44 PM	#2
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Executions get botched every now and again. There weren't "ten tries" to execute him ... it took ten attempts to establish an IV line. BIG difference. Guy was a junkie, and they couldn't get a decent vein. Might be a good idea to consider a PICC instead of just an IV, but that's a surgical procedure and requires that an xray be taken to establish correct placement of the line. Would have been nice had the fellow thought murder was barbaric before he beat and killed his cellmate in an argument over a chess game. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

05-28-2007, 01:55 AM	#7
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	It has nothing to do with self defense. All that kill are killers. There are different kinds of killers... murderer is one of those kinds. Executioner is another, as is euthanizer, and soldier. Oh, don't forget gun owner and woman scorned. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-26-2007, 04:55 PM	#9
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	what is so strange is that anyone cares that a PICC is too invasive. Dude, the guy is toast---who cares if its invasive?? He's not going to die of an infection. I have very mixed feelings about the death penalty. I always feel bad for the person being executed and then I read what they did to their victim(s) and wonder what took the state so long to ice them. It's one of "those" issues. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

05-26-2007, 06:04 PM	#10
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	At VA I've poked till I say that's it. Go get an IV nurse. I try to let them have 3 shots, but not if they miss by inches. __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

05-26-2007, 03:47 PM	#3
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I'm against capital punishment but on the other hand, waah waaaah, dey hurt da wittle murdewer, waah. Was there a comfy cushion for his ass while they tried to find a vein?

05-26-2007, 04:50 PM	#4
lizzymahoney Major Inhabitant Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 124	Clarification: this man was not said to be an intravenous drug user. That reference was to the previous 'botched' execution of another prisoner where they could not establish an IV line. This man was larger than usual and that was the reason the line was difficult to establish. Also consider that most health professionals accustomed to putting in IVs would not participate in an execution. Totally my guess here, but it probably is done by a military trained field medic rather than a practicing medical specialist. There would have to be a doctor to certify the death and oversee the injections, but the doc is nowhere near the condemned man. That person is in a separate room. A PICC is probably too invasive, being an order of magnitude more involved than a simple IV lock. Can you tell I'm in a death penalty state? ugh.

05-26-2007, 09:38 PM	#11
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	I am against capital punishment but the way we run prisons today is very inefficient. Manuel labor and community service is much better for punishment and they put something back to the community instead of just taking more in the form of taxes.

05-27-2007, 01:53 AM	#13
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	Ten tries? Just shove the damn needle into his aorta. Ten tries. Scoff. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

05-27-2007, 03:42 PM	#14
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	It usually takes three tries for me. I have tiny veins that "like to roll," apparently. My record is six.

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