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07-27-2009, 12:39 AM | #1 |
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Professor Gates, Harvard's Pride
Extensively quoted by Larry Elder.
Whether the prof had had a couple before heading home or not, he was acting and talking about like he had.
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07-27-2009, 01:04 AM | #2 |
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I was wondering when da Cellar would comment about this.
All the guy had to do was be polite and show the cop his driver's license. But no . . . he had to fly off the handle. Conditioning, perhaps, because this is THE scholar of racism in this country, who "knew every racial incident since Jim Crow" -- so he just had to make one himself. Even smart people can be stupid.
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07-27-2009, 03:08 AM | #3 |
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After seeing and listening to both of them on the TV, I came to the conclusion they are both lying. Both trying to act so innocent, it could be they are trying to start acting careers.
The cop, responding to a break in call, has no idea what kind of shit is going to go down. And don't tell me a 5' 6", 150 lb man can't fuck you up... or kill you. So he's on edge, and acting all official and badass out of fear/caution. The prof, well know and respected in his little circles, feels the cop should take him at his word, and expects polite conversation. He gets pissed when the cop follows him into the house uninvited, even though he hasn't proven who he is or that he should be there, yet. Like the cop is going to let a still suspect just walk away, c'mon. From there it escalates, with the prof being cocky and the cop getting more pissed at being given a hard time while risking his life to protect the prof's property, and starts acting more hardass. And the rest is history in the making, by everyone choosing sides while the media plays it to the hilt, interviewing everyone with an axe to grind.
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07-27-2009, 08:05 AM | #4 |
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Wow - Bruce. You really nailed that one.
Oh, maybe a 5'6" guy could have a weapon. Maybe the guy, in the last 4 years lived at that address (got his ID, and beat his wife and was kicked out. His License would still show this as his address, yet things still had to be checked out. just a couple random thoughts.
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07-27-2009, 08:22 AM | #5 |
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Bottom line, the cop did everything right, up until the moment after the prof showed proof that he lived there. Once the guy proved it was his house, the cop should have left.
There's the whole issue that cops should be polite to citizens, and citizens should be polite to cops, but that's all window dressing. I think both of them were disrespectful to one another, and the cop arrested him only because he was being a dick. No law against that though. The cop should have a thicker skin. Prof shouldn't be surprised though. If you're a dick to a cop, it's not going to go well, regardless of your skin color. But the cop was wrong to arrest the prof. |
07-27-2009, 08:11 AM | #6 |
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Regardless of whatever else happened, both accounts state that Gates did eventually show the cop ID, at which point the cop should have been gone, and there would have been nobody for Gates to be "tumultuous" at.
I'm sick of people acting like cops are wild animals, and if you don't tiptoe around them you deserve what you get.
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I also know if I act like a dick, he will act like a bigger dick, because it's imperative for his safety to maintain control of the situation. That's his most important weapon, because he has no way of knowing who's armed, nuts or a threat. There are certainly cops that shouldn't be, but most are just trying to do their job and get home alive.
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But anyway, verbal assault on a working cop is sufficient reason for arrest, obstructing justice, interfering with a criminal investigation, and clearly racism. He wasn't arrested for his attitude, he was arrested for his actions, and the fact that he was arrested proves the cop was in control of the situation, if not his temper. "Being tumultuous" in the real world is risking escalated retaliation, often massive. I still maintain they were both wrong.
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Cops are supposed to deal with people who are having bad days, and if they can only handle asses by tossing them in jail, they need a new line of work. "Don't poke the bear" excuses are only appropriate if the cop is considered to be a wild animal, unable or unwilling to deescalate.
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I know I'm late to this party, but amen to that, monkey. Most cops I know are fucking buzztards who think they are entitled to walk into a home and start making life decisions for the owner. With a taser.
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08-08-2009, 07:28 AM | #12 | |
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Images from Texas where the cop pulls granny over and gives her a ticket, but she refuses to sign it. (It's her right not to sign it.) Cop doesn't see it that way, so he physically pulls her out of the car, pushes her to the side and SCREAMS at her. She yells, fine, I'll sign it. He's pushing her again. She gets pissed he's shoving on her, and screams right back. He decides he's gonna get control of the situation, so after a few warnings, (and her trying to get back in the truck), he finally tazes her, then yells at her to get on the ground. At first, I thought, well, she should have just signed the damn ticket. Then, she should have just complied with the officer, and none of that would have happened. Then I realized, wait a minute. She chose not to sign the ticket, which is well within her rights. That cop should have just said ok ma'am, have a good day and left. As soon as she exercised her right to NOT sign that ticket, he got it in his head that she was "a trouble maker". And he wasn't having that. No 72 year old woman is going to give him trouble. No siree. As soon as he put his hands on her and forced her out of her truck, he committed a crime: assault, and technically, kidnapping. She had broken NO law, he had NO probable cause to pull her from that vehicle. At that very moment, he STOPPED being a police officer, protecting the public safety, and became a thug. Abuse of power, no? This woman did NOT deserve to be tasered. She was beligerent, yes, but aren't cops trained on how to handle beligerent people? Isn't that kind of the down side to being a cop? I mean, wouldn't one think the vast majority of criminals are beligerent in the first place? (And I'm too lazy to look up beligerent at the moment.) Gates, while a cock, should not have been arrested. He was not in a public place, he was in his yard. Private property, yes? The cop, after finally getting ID on this cock, should have said, ok sir, have a good night, and walked away. Gates did NOTHING against the law, and I think he should sue the fuck out of Cambridge PD. Not because of the race issue, but because he didn't break any laws and got arrested anyway. This wasn't a case of racism, it was case of cop-ism.
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Actually, if you listen closely at the point where the officer is telling her that he will taser her, you can hear her say "I dare you".
The shove did serve to get them away from traffic. All of that being said, the issue was escalated by the deputy who had filled out the ticket and should have handed it to her and left. I believe Onyx is correct that she was not required to sign the ticket, but I am not a lawyer and Texas law may be different (sometimes I'm not sure it's part of the US). The woman was argumentative but was not combative under any definition of the word I can find. On the face of it, the officer chose to escalate. And now for something in really bad taste: Quote:
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http://law.onecle.com/texas/transpor...hapter543.html Still think the cop was an asshole for trying to get her to sign, and then trying to arrest her, as was his JOB?
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