Genocide in Kenya

TheMercenary · 01-30-2008, 10:17 AM

Will the UN again do nothing?

http://africa.reuters.com/wire/news/usnL30119639.html

aimeecc · 01-30-2008, 11:29 AM

850 dead in Kenya over several weeks compared to 800,000 in Rwanda over the same time frame - two completely different scenarios. The UN won't and shouldn't do anything. If any action should be taken the AU should initiate - not the UN.

TheMercenary · 01-30-2008, 11:56 AM

Is it a spark?

It was 800,000 in 4 months, not the same time frame.

aimeecc · 01-31-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Is it a spark?

It was 800,000 in 4 months, not the same time frame.

Correct. Over 66,000 per week. So 4 weeks in Rwanda would be over 264,000. Still a whole lot more than 850.

If it is a spark, its taking a long time to ignite to Rwanda levels. Also, UN intervention might make it worse - not better.

aimeecc · 01-31-2008, 12:28 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3580247.stm
Rwanda - over 100,000 in the first 15 days (April 6 - April 21). By 5-6 weeks into the 'conflict', it was over 500,000. They're in week 5 of Kenya, and its 850. Absolutely no comparison.

classicman · 01-30-2008, 04:39 PM

[quote=TheMercenary;428418]Will the UN again do nothing?

yes, the UN will do nothing.

No, the UN will do nothing.

either way you answer it - the fact remains - the UN will do nothing.....again.

Aliantha · 01-30-2008, 05:53 PM

Well Kofi Annan is in Kenya atm. Perhaps it will help. It surely can't make things worse.

tw · 01-30-2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Well Kofi Annan is in Kenya atm. Perhaps it will help. It surely can't make things worse.

And it is just not that bad. aimeecc accurately defined it:

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850 dead in Kenya over several weeks compared to 800,000 in Rwanda ...

The story of Kenya is only a news story. Deaths on this order from corruption and other sources are routine in so many other African nations. It is not genocide in Kenya - except when one ignores the numbers.

Kenya's problem currently is only Kenya's involving a trivial number of deaths. Kofi Annan, et al should visit to watch, learn, and discover if (when) the problem becomes more than just Kenya's.

ZenGum · 01-30-2008, 09:52 PM

So far, the numbers are relatively small, but the trouble could easily escalate. If it could be nipped in the bud now, the total death toll might stay in the four-digit range. If it spirals out of control, six digits is very possible. And it would take much, much longer for the community scars to heal.
A political solution is needed, but it will probably also require military implementation. The UN might - MIGHT - be able to work out the first one, and once they have got that, some AU or UN troops should be enough to settle things down.
What most bothers me is that Kenya used to be one of the best examples of a more-or-less stable, functioning, democratic country in Africa. One dodgy election result and WHOOM. I'd love them to get back on track ASAP.

TheMercenary · 01-31-2008, 10:49 AM

Second Kenyan Opposition Legislator Killed

By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN
Published: February 1, 2008
NAIROBI, Kenya —A second Kenyan opposition lawmaker was shot dead on Thursday and riots immediately exploded in opposition strongholds.

The violence led to the postponement of talks being brokered by Kofi Annan, the former United Nations secretary general, and the current secretary general, Ban Ki-Moon, said he would travel to Nairobi on Friday to help address the crisis.

The lawmaker who was killed, David Kimutai Too, was shot by a policeman in Eldoret in the country’s volatile Rift Valley where many people have already been killed or have fled their homes, but Kenyan government officials were quick to say the latest killing was connected to an illicit love triangle. The opposition, however, called it an assassination.

“This is the part of the strategy to reduce the number of parliamentarians,” said Salim Lone, a spokesman for the top opposition leader, Raila Odinga.

Continues:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/wo...hp&oref=slogin

classicman · 01-31-2008, 11:21 AM

[quote=Salim Lone;428784] “This is the part of the strategy to reduce the number of parliamentarians,” said Salim Lone, a spokesman for the top opposition leader, Raila Odinga.

If you begin killing your opponents, it goes to follow that there numbers will decline.

Aliantha · 01-31-2008, 04:03 PM

Rwanda was never as stable as Kenya was before this began. It's hardly surprising that the numbers killed escallated more quickly in Rwanda.

How many more people have to die before it becomes an atrocity in the eyes of the world? 200 000? Maybe 300 000???

Ibby · 01-31-2008, 04:34 PM

Where can you see lions?
only in kenya!

Shawnee123 · 01-31-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

Where can you see lions?

They haz a bukkit.

lookout123 · 01-31-2008, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibram

Where can you see lions?
only in kenya!

the zoo? come on, make this trivia game harder.

01-30-2008, 10:17 AM	#1
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Genocide in Kenya Will the UN again do nothing? http://africa.reuters.com/wire/news/usnL30119639.html __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

01-30-2008, 11:56 AM	#3
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Is it a spark? It was 800,000 in 4 months, not the same time frame. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

01-30-2008, 04:39 PM	#6
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	[quote=TheMercenary;428418]Will the UN again do nothing? yes, the UN will do nothing. No, the UN will do nothing. either way you answer it - the fact remains - the UN will do nothing.....again. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

01-30-2008, 05:53 PM	#7
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well Kofi Annan is in Kenya atm. Perhaps it will help. It surely can't make things worse. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

01-30-2008, 09:52 PM	#9
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	So far, the numbers are relatively small, but the trouble could easily escalate. If it could be nipped in the bud now, the total death toll might stay in the four-digit range. If it spirals out of control, six digits is very possible. And it would take much, much longer for the community scars to heal. A political solution is needed, but it will probably also require military implementation. The UN might - MIGHT - be able to work out the first one, and once they have got that, some AU or UN troops should be enough to settle things down. What most bothers me is that Kenya used to be one of the best examples of a more-or-less stable, functioning, democratic country in Africa. One dodgy election result and WHOOM. I'd love them to get back on track ASAP. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

01-30-2008, 11:29 AM	#2
aimeecc Super Intendent Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 249	850 dead in Kenya over several weeks compared to 800,000 in Rwanda over the same time frame - two completely different scenarios. The UN won't and shouldn't do anything. If any action should be taken the AU should initiate - not the UN.

01-31-2008, 12:28 PM	#5
aimeecc Super Intendent Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 249	http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3580247.stm Rwanda - over 100,000 in the first 15 days (April 6 - April 21). By 5-6 weeks into the 'conflict', it was over 500,000. They're in week 5 of Kenya, and its 850. Absolutely no comparison.

01-31-2008, 10:49 AM	#10
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Second Kenyan Opposition Legislator Killed By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN Published: February 1, 2008 NAIROBI, Kenya —A second Kenyan opposition lawmaker was shot dead on Thursday and riots immediately exploded in opposition strongholds. The violence led to the postponement of talks being brokered by Kofi Annan, the former United Nations secretary general, and the current secretary general, Ban Ki-Moon, said he would travel to Nairobi on Friday to help address the crisis. The lawmaker who was killed, David Kimutai Too, was shot by a policeman in Eldoret in the country’s volatile Rift Valley where many people have already been killed or have fled their homes, but Kenyan government officials were quick to say the latest killing was connected to an illicit love triangle. The opposition, however, called it an assassination. “This is the part of the strategy to reduce the number of parliamentarians,” said Salim Lone, a spokesman for the top opposition leader, Raila Odinga. Continues: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/wo...hp&oref=slogin __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

01-31-2008, 11:21 AM	#11
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	[quote=Salim Lone;428784] “This is the part of the strategy to reduce the number of parliamentarians,” said Salim Lone, a spokesman for the top opposition leader, Raila Odinga. If you begin killing your opponents, it goes to follow that there numbers will decline. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

01-31-2008, 04:03 PM	#12
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Rwanda was never as stable as Kenya was before this began. It's hardly surprising that the numbers killed escallated more quickly in Rwanda. How many more people have to die before it becomes an atrocity in the eyes of the world? 200 000? Maybe 300 000??? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

01-31-2008, 04:34 PM	#13
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Where can you see lions? only in kenya! __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

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