November 23, 2007: Job fair in China

Undertoad · 11-23-2007, 09:19 AM

Of course China has too many people, but now it has too many people looking for work or looking to change jobs. The poster at World Stock Markets Live takes these shots as a sign that things are bad, that people can't find work there. His commenters take it another way, that this is productive change... and that everything done in China is done with too many people.

I guess we would know more about this shot if we knew how many jobs were being offered; are companies there hiring by the hundred? Are they placing warm bodies, or actually differentiating between candidates?

LJ · 11-23-2007, 10:11 AM

where's wardo, plick?

Gravdigr · 11-23-2007, 03:47 PM

That looks anuything BUT fair...

(was gonna make a Godzeera joke, butthat's Japan...)

Griff · 11-23-2007, 07:43 PM

That guy, right there, his IQ is 25 points higher than mine. He is screwed.

ZenGum · 11-24-2007, 05:36 AM

How do you shout "FIRE" in Chinese?

Bwahahahaha....

Sundae · 11-24-2007, 06:08 AM

Sad - the only thing I could compare that to in the UK is X Factor (Pop Idol) auditions.

whitjohn · 11-25-2007, 03:39 PM

The really sad part is that parents have sacrificed to send their child to university admonishing them to "study hard, get good grades and get a good job". Upon graduation they are faced with the above because all they learned in college was to pass the exams. They have no marketable skills and no understanding of "problem solving" which western students acquire. I live here and see it everyday!

Cloud · 11-25-2007, 03:40 PM

no understanding of problem solving? Surely some of those people got degrees in things like computer science or engineering. Isn't problem solving inherent in such disciplines?

What else do they study? I can't imagine their universities teach Western-style humanities, or even business.

And, okay I know this is simplistic, but aren't people just supposed to be provided jobs under communism? I thought that was kind of the point.

kerosene · 11-28-2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Cloud

no understanding of problem solving? Surely some of those people got degrees in things like computer science or engineering. Isn't problem solving inherent in such disciplines?

What else do they study? I can't imagine their universities teach Western-style humanities, or even business.

I worked with a guy straight out of China who had very recently come out of college. He told me that there are 2 paths. Humanities or sciences. What I gathered was that if you are a Chinese science student, you don't learn anything about arts and humanities. Or vice versa. He also said the arts students are primarily female while the science students are mostly male. This is something he had to decide very early, like in the preteen years.

I know who we should ask...where are you, Billy?

Billy · 11-29-2007, 01:38 AM

I heard the news. To be frank, it also really scared me. It makes me think how I can find a way to upgrade my career. More and more students graduate from colleges. However, the job market does not increase at the same rate as undergraduates. It is not so easy to get the ideal jobs for some students. They don’t know how to live so that they rely on the master or doctor programs and choose studying. If you ask them why you choose the post graduation studying, they probably say that I have no reason but want to get jobs easily after graduations.
Chinese government knows that we need higher education with the development and encourages the colleges and universities to recruit more students. The student surplus shows up. From the official data, about 1.2 million students did not get jobs in 6 months after graduation in 2006. In 2007 over 4.2 million students will come out schools. It was estimated that about 2 million students would not get jobs in several months. Now the new season of job fair is coming for 2008. It is really a problem.
On other hand, some young students were born with one-child policy after 1980’s. They had the better lives than the former generations. They don’t want to work in the countryside or places with poor conditions.
There are many reasons to explain the problem. No one can give a solution for it. The students will understand it well after are rejected for interviews. I think China should learn some from our neighbors, South Korea and Japan. They have the similar problems as us, but they run the business globally and create big job markets.
With high recruitment, the schools expand quickly in several years with limited resources. From my experiences, the education quality is falling gradually. They make us from the education flow lines with the similar textbooks and process. If they gave me one packaging box with a label MADE IN CHINA, I would be 100% Chinese commodity for export. :-)
The employers say that it is difficult to find the right potential people from the mountains and seas of students. It is one of the reasons that more and more foreign companies start to open the research centers or business in China. The employees are very cheap for them. The average salary of new graduates decreased in the recent years.
We divide into science and liberal arts for college admission test in high school. Students choose the courses based their result and interest. I don’t think that they know well about the majors of colleges before enter because the communication between students of high schools and colleges are quiet little. The society don’t provide them plenty materials. In the college it is very difficult to change majors after you enter. I found out that I did not like my major so much then and had to finish it.
There is no PERFECT THING in the world. If there is a problem, the new solution will come out. It takes some time or hurts. ONLY YOU can find your way to get out. I think China is on the way and working on it.

P.S.: I am also looking for a job chance in Europe now. Heehee

ViennaWaits · 11-25-2007, 04:20 PM

Aren't you glad you use Dial?
Don't you wish everybody did?

Sheldonrs · 11-25-2007, 06:38 PM

Can you hold my place in line? I need to go to the bathroom.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS IS THE LINE FOR THE BATHROOM?!!!

richlevy · 11-25-2007, 07:36 PM

If they form more than one line in front of a table, can the recruiter pick one from column A and one from column B?

whitjohn · 11-26-2007, 10:53 PM

My office staff laughed at clouds comment about learning problem solving with a computer degree, because we had a newly graduated girl with a degree in computer science and she was bloody hopeless at using even our routine office computer. Her contribution to our brainstorming sessions about business ideas was that they wouldn't work..no matter what the idea. She is no longer with us.
It is completely understandable that cloud would think that China is a communist country. After all, every reference in US news is to "the communist government" or some such other reference to "communist". Friend, you have never seen a more capitalist economy than this one! There is free enterprise everywhere and the economic growth is phenomenal!
Standing in line? NOT in China! The culture here forbids standing in line. It's everyone to the front in every situation whether it's getting on a bus or waiting at a traffic light. Possible exception...to use the womens room at KFC. There is always a line there

TheMercenary · 11-27-2007, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitjohn

My office staff laughed at clouds comment about learning problem solving with a computer degree, because we had a newly graduated girl with a degree in computer science and she was bloody hopeless at using even our routine office computer. Her contribution to our brainstorming sessions about business ideas was that they wouldn't work..no matter what the idea. She is no longer with us.
It is completely understandable that cloud would think that China is a communist country. After all, every reference in US news is to "the communist government" or some such other reference to "communist". Friend, you have never seen a more capitalist economy than this one! There is free enterprise everywhere and the economic growth is phenomenal!
Standing in line? NOT in China! The culture here forbids standing in line. It's everyone to the front in every situation whether it's getting on a bus or waiting at a traffic light. Possible exception...to use the womens room at KFC. There is always a line there

It may not be a "communist country" but it is a "communist government".

11-23-2007, 09:19 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	November 23, 2007: Job fair in China Of course China has too many people, but now it has too many people looking for work or looking to change jobs. The poster at World Stock Markets Live takes these shots as a sign that things are bad, that people can't find work there. His commenters take it another way, that this is productive change... and that everything done in China is done with too many people. I guess we would know more about this shot if we knew how many jobs were being offered; are companies there hiring by the hundred? Are they placing warm bodies, or actually differentiating between candidates?

11-23-2007, 10:11 AM	#2
LJ i am myself Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: via blackberry, maybe Posts: 750	where's wardo, plick? Attached Images

11-23-2007, 07:43 PM	#4
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	That guy, right there, his IQ is 25 points higher than mine. He is screwed. Attached Images __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

11-24-2007, 05:36 AM	#5
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	How do you shout "FIRE" in Chinese? Bwahahahaha.... __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

11-24-2007, 06:08 AM	#6
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Sad - the only thing I could compare that to in the UK is X Factor (Pop Idol) auditions. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

11-23-2007, 03:47 PM	#3
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	That looks anuything BUT fair... (was gonna make a Godzeera joke, butthat's Japan...)

11-25-2007, 03:39 PM	#7
whitjohn Questionist Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 8	The really sad part is that parents have sacrificed to send their child to university admonishing them to "study hard, get good grades and get a good job". Upon graduation they are faced with the above because all they learned in college was to pass the exams. They have no marketable skills and no understanding of "problem solving" which western students acquire. I live here and see it everyday!

11-25-2007, 03:40 PM	#8
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	no understanding of problem solving? Surely some of those people got degrees in things like computer science or engineering. Isn't problem solving inherent in such disciplines? What else do they study? I can't imagine their universities teach Western-style humanities, or even business. And, okay I know this is simplistic, but aren't people just supposed to be provided jobs under communism? I thought that was kind of the point. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

11-29-2007, 01:38 AM	#10
Billy Professor Join Date: May 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 1,462	I heard the news. To be frank, it also really scared me. It makes me think how I can find a way to upgrade my career. More and more students graduate from colleges. However, the job market does not increase at the same rate as undergraduates. It is not so easy to get the ideal jobs for some students. They don’t know how to live so that they rely on the master or doctor programs and choose studying. If you ask them why you choose the post graduation studying, they probably say that I have no reason but want to get jobs easily after graduations. Chinese government knows that we need higher education with the development and encourages the colleges and universities to recruit more students. The student surplus shows up. From the official data, about 1.2 million students did not get jobs in 6 months after graduation in 2006. In 2007 over 4.2 million students will come out schools. It was estimated that about 2 million students would not get jobs in several months. Now the new season of job fair is coming for 2008. It is really a problem. On other hand, some young students were born with one-child policy after 1980’s. They had the better lives than the former generations. They don’t want to work in the countryside or places with poor conditions. There are many reasons to explain the problem. No one can give a solution for it. The students will understand it well after are rejected for interviews. I think China should learn some from our neighbors, South Korea and Japan. They have the similar problems as us, but they run the business globally and create big job markets. With high recruitment, the schools expand quickly in several years with limited resources. From my experiences, the education quality is falling gradually. They make us from the education flow lines with the similar textbooks and process. If they gave me one packaging box with a label MADE IN CHINA, I would be 100% Chinese commodity for export. :-) The employers say that it is difficult to find the right potential people from the mountains and seas of students. It is one of the reasons that more and more foreign companies start to open the research centers or business in China. The employees are very cheap for them. The average salary of new graduates decreased in the recent years. We divide into science and liberal arts for college admission test in high school. Students choose the courses based their result and interest. I don’t think that they know well about the majors of colleges before enter because the communication between students of high schools and colleges are quiet little. The society don’t provide them plenty materials. In the college it is very difficult to change majors after you enter. I found out that I did not like my major so much then and had to finish it. There is no PERFECT THING in the world. If there is a problem, the new solution will come out. It takes some time or hurts. ONLY YOU can find your way to get out. I think China is on the way and working on it. P.S.: I am also looking for a job chance in Europe now. Heehee

11-25-2007, 04:20 PM	#11
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11-25-2007, 06:38 PM	#12
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11-25-2007, 07:36 PM	#13
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11-26-2007, 10:53 PM	#14
whitjohn Questionist Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 8	Line? You gotta be kidding! My office staff laughed at clouds comment about learning problem solving with a computer degree, because we had a newly graduated girl with a degree in computer science and she was bloody hopeless at using even our routine office computer. Her contribution to our brainstorming sessions about business ideas was that they wouldn't work..no matter what the idea. She is no longer with us. It is completely understandable that cloud would think that China is a communist country. After all, every reference in US news is to "the communist government" or some such other reference to "communist". Friend, you have never seen a more capitalist economy than this one! There is free enterprise everywhere and the economic growth is phenomenal! Standing in line? NOT in China! The culture here forbids standing in line. It's everyone to the front in every situation whether it's getting on a bus or waiting at a traffic light. Possible exception...to use the womens room at KFC. There is always a line there

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