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Old 10-11-2007, 10:38 AM   #1
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Carter: America tortures
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Former President Jimmy Carter said Wednesday he is convinced the United States engages in torture that clearly breaches international law and told CNN President Bush creates his own definition of human rights to escape violating them.
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On the other hand, don't forget it's an election year (and a half)
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Old 10-11-2007, 10:50 AM   #2
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Well, he does have a point.

Americans have certainly tortured prisoners in the recent past.
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Old 10-12-2007, 10:40 PM   #3
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Old 10-11-2007, 11:11 AM   #4
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Not to mention the Extraordinary Renditions process.
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Old 10-12-2007, 08:12 PM   #5
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Not to mention the Extraordinary Renditions process.
To bad that does not qualify as torture or you might actually have a point.

But of course we could talk about the treatment of the Irish by the British if you want to look at a country in the western world who set the standards in modern times for the treatment and torture of prisoners.
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Old 10-12-2007, 11:14 PM   #6
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But of course we could talk about the treatment of the Irish by the British
But we are not talking about the British - are we. We are talking about Americans who love, endorse, and advocate torture. TheMercenary loves torture? Or does TheMercenary oppose torture by Americans? Based upon a political agenda that supersedes ethics, my bet is that TheMercenary loves Americans doing torture. It is synonymous with those who love and support Cheney - who also publically advocated torture. So which is it, TheMercenary? Do you love torture or do you oppose torture? ... not that I believe he has the balls to answer without being elusive.
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Old 10-13-2007, 12:08 AM   #7
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But we are not talking about the British - are we. We are talking about Americans who love, endorse, and advocate torture. TheMercenary loves torture? Or does TheMercenary oppose torture by Americans? Based upon a political agenda that supersedes ethics, my bet is that TheMercenary loves Americans doing torture. It is synonymous with those who love and support Cheney - who also publically advocated torture. So which is it, TheMercenary? Do you love torture or do you oppose torture? ... not that I believe he has the balls to answer without being elusive.
I love for us to do whatever it takes to win. We don't torture. Although we do have some people who went over the line in the forms of abuse of detained persons, and many of them were punished. Some were not punished. Now tw, define torture. List all of the things you think are torture that you know the US has used on detained persons in an effort to extract information. I bet you don't have the balls to do it. Do you?
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Old 10-11-2007, 01:46 PM   #8
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Is there even a question? When the Bush administration lists all the tortures that they've classified as not officially torture, that's pretty much an admission of guilt.
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Old 10-11-2007, 09:04 PM   #9
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Look, if the price of freedom is secret imprisonment and torture we should all be willing...
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Old 10-11-2007, 10:32 PM   #10
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Carter is: a) a modern-day Democrat, with all that implies, and b) the guy whose Administration couldn't win at the Iranian hostage rescue.

I didn't vote for him either, but -- full disclosure -- mostly out of apathy. Enthusiasm for politics didn't develop until later.
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Not in itself, but it is only done in order to enable torture.
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Not in itself, but it is only done in order to enable torture.
Says who? you?
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Everybody. There's no other reason to do it.
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Everybody. There's no other reason to do it.
Everybody who?

Why of course there is, for interrogation. I fully support it.
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Why of course there is, for interrogation.
Interrogation by torture.
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