Dick Gephardt most unpresidential - Page 2

06-24-2003, 12:44 PM

Yes.

wolf · 06-24-2003, 12:54 PM

Economic Left/Right:
ORIGINAL (11/18/02) 2.50
CURRENT (6/24/03) 5.38

Authoritarian/Libertarian
ORIGINAL 0.92
CURRENT 0.77

warch · 06-24-2003, 02:26 PM

I forget what I got last time, but I was in the same quadrant. This go round I made:

Economic L/R = -4.0
Auth/ Lib = -6.67

I saw a large portion of the Democratic candidates fielding questions and here is my armchair, no depth media review- Gephardt is such a weasel, he'll tank. Smarm-o-rama. In a close second was Lieberman, ugh. Time! Shuddup awready . Kucinch's statements actually garnered some laughs (unplanned), Mosley Braun hung in there, but not powerful or substantial enough. I kept waiting for Al to rhyme. The two that rose to the top- Kerry and Dean. Of those two, Dean stuck the landing with his straight talking style.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-24-2003, 06:15 PM

4 left 1 down. But tomorrow who knows? depends what pisses me off tomorrow.:p

richlevy · 06-25-2003, 12:06 AM

The Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -3.18

Hmm. Pretty close to Sycamore and Dave.

jaguar · 06-25-2003, 12:17 AM

Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -7.56

Hasen't moved much in 2 years, i don't think it's very accurate though, too many questions are far too ambigious.

Tobiasly · 06-25-2003, 10:25 AM

I've never much understood executive orders. What is their jurisdiction? How, if at all, can they be overturned?

Undertoad · 06-26-2003, 11:16 AM

The EO is, I think, really just a statement of policy from the Executive branch. It doesn't really override the Supreme Court, which is another reason for us to disrespect Gephardt on the matter. If he understands the issue, he never should have made the statement; if he doesn't understand the issue, he should never be President.

Truman used an EO to segregate the military, after the other branches didn't take an interest in the issue. That makes sense; Truman was Cmdr in Chief, and certainly had the ability to establish policy for the armed forces. Later, Truman tried to use an EO to take over a steel mill, and the SC prevented it on behalf of the owners, saying that the Pres didn't have that kind of power.

warch · 06-26-2003, 12:12 PM

Well it seems an EO power play can direct many things: departments, action plans, honorary recognition, etc., but often sets up policy, and if that policy is controversial, it may be challenged in court and deemed unconstitutional. It takes a while to litigate, so meanwhile, the order is in effect. It can at least buy some time.( I'm thinking of Bush's EO to block public access to Reagan's papers that were set to be released.)

SC can override an EO. Rock Paper Scissors.

Happy Monkey · 07-06-2004, 06:53 PM

Phew.

06-24-2003, 12:54 PM	#17
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Economic Left/Right: ORIGINAL (11/18/02) 2.50 CURRENT (6/24/03) 5.38 Authoritarian/Libertarian ORIGINAL 0.92 CURRENT 0.77 __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

06-24-2003, 06:15 PM	#19
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	4 left 1 down. But tomorrow who knows? depends what pisses me off tomorrow.:p __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-25-2003, 12:06 AM	#20
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	The Political Compass Economic Left/Right: -4.25 Authoritarian/Libertarian: -3.18 Hmm. Pretty close to Sycamore and Dave. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

06-25-2003, 12:17 AM	#21
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Economic Left/Right: -3.62 Authoritarian/Libertarian: -7.56 Hasen't moved much in 2 years, i don't think it's very accurate though, too many questions are far too ambigious. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

07-06-2004, 06:53 PM	#25
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06-24-2003, 02:26 PM	#18
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	I forget what I got last time, but I was in the same quadrant. This go round I made: Economic L/R = -4.0 Auth/ Lib = -6.67 I saw a large portion of the Democratic candidates fielding questions and here is my armchair, no depth media review- Gephardt is such a weasel, he'll tank. Smarm-o-rama. In a close second was Lieberman, ugh. Time! Shuddup awready . Kucinch's statements actually garnered some laughs (unplanned), Mosley Braun hung in there, but not powerful or substantial enough. I kept waiting for Al to rhyme. The two that rose to the top- Kerry and Dean. Of those two, Dean stuck the landing with his straight talking style.

06-25-2003, 10:25 AM	#22
Tobiasly hot Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Jeffersonville, IN (near Louisville) Posts: 892	I've never much understood executive orders. What is their jurisdiction? How, if at all, can they be overturned?

06-26-2003, 11:16 AM	#23
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The EO is, I think, really just a statement of policy from the Executive branch. It doesn't really override the Supreme Court, which is another reason for us to disrespect Gephardt on the matter. If he understands the issue, he never should have made the statement; if he doesn't understand the issue, he should never be President. Truman used an EO to segregate the military, after the other branches didn't take an interest in the issue. That makes sense; Truman was Cmdr in Chief, and certainly had the ability to establish policy for the armed forces. Later, Truman tried to use an EO to take over a steel mill, and the SC prevented it on behalf of the owners, saying that the Pres didn't have that kind of power.

06-26-2003, 12:12 PM	#24
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Well it seems an EO power play can direct many things: departments, action plans, honorary recognition, etc., but often sets up policy, and if that policy is controversial, it may be challenged in court and deemed unconstitutional. It takes a while to litigate, so meanwhile, the order is in effect. It can at least buy some time.( I'm thinking of Bush's EO to block public access to Reagan's papers that were set to be released.) SC can override an EO. Rock Paper Scissors.

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