Dick Gephardt most unpresidential

Undertoad · 06-23-2003, 05:40 PM

<i>"When I'm president, we'll do executive orders to overcome any wrong thing the Supreme Court does tomorrow or any other day," Gephardt said.</i>

This quote has been verified (to the point of linking to a C-Span video and pointing out how far into it the statement happens) by the folks here.

To me, this statement puts Mr. Gephardt out of consideration for the Presidency. Sure, I realize that many presidents have made executive orders that seem pretty unconstitutional on the face of it. But it's rare to see a candidate flatly state, right out, that he has such contempt for the system that he would try to override it, to enforce his own vision of how things should be.

Every US President takes an oath to uphold the Constitution and a rather obvious action against it is something that should properly be grounds for impeachment. Let's save time by not voting for this weasel in the first place.

Happy Monkey · 06-23-2003, 05:49 PM

He was trying to "me too" an affirmative action speech by Al Sharpton (after Dennis Kucinich did the same). That in itself shows bad judgement.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-23-2003, 06:29 PM

For him to be elected and do that would be flat out wrong. However I don't think making that statement will eliminate him from the running. There's an awful lot of voters who have been prevented by the Supreme Court from ramming their personal agendas down the rest of our throats. A candidate making such a statement gives them hope of circumventing the court. If you add up all the anti-abortion, anti-gun, pro-school prayer, anti-Darwin, etc, etc voters, it make a substantial bloc. Scary, huh?

elSicomoro · 06-23-2003, 07:06 PM

Having lived in his district for 21 years, I can say with confidence that Gephardt has absolutely no business running for president.

SteveDallas · 06-23-2003, 07:45 PM

But he has a high likelihood to win, because he's been around a long time and has a heavily entrenched organization and fund-raising apparatus. Clinton won the nomination at a time when all of the "real democratic contenders" were afraid to go up against Bush Sr. during his massive popularity following Gulf War Sr. Clinton wouldn't have stood a chance for the nomination in 1992 if Democrats who had national name recognition (including Gore, and Gephardt, and probably Biden, and others I'm too lazy to think back 10 years and remember) had run.

elSicomoro · 06-23-2003, 08:01 PM

I dunno Steve. I don't know what his numbers are right now...the last poll I saw had him 3rd in Iowa. And I don't even think he'd win his home state. He didn't do so hot in 1984, and as I see it, he's looked upon as part of what's wrong with the Dems right now. That's why I don't think Daschle will run...a lot of moderates would laugh him off.

Kerry and Edwards come across as, "Yeah, we're with the Dems, but we've got better ideas than the other putzes." And Dean seems to be the maverick one. The rest of them should pack their stuff up, go home, and dream a little dream. Though I would like to see Sharpton stick around, just to stir the pot.

Lessee...who ran in '92 for the Dems? Tsongas, Jerry Brown, Tom Harkin, Bob Kerrey, and Clinton. That's based on what I remember, and some obscure magazine article.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-23-2003, 08:23 PM

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Though I would like to see Sharpton stick around, just to stir the pot.

He's very useful. He makes the rest of the clowns look gooood!

wolf · 06-23-2003, 09:34 PM

The way things are looking right now, there is an excellent likelihood that I will be voting for Al Sharpton in the Democratic Primary ...

(yeah. Democrat. Pick yer teeth up off the floor and deal with it)

06-24-2003, 05:09 AM

From what little I've read, Dean is looking like my man. A centrist disguised as a Democrat. w0rd.

99 44/100% pure · 06-24-2003, 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by wolf
(yeah. Democrat. Pick yer teeth up off the floor and deal with it)

God bless you, Wolf, we're paddling the same leaky canoe! Have you and Slang ever compared your results on the Political Compass? It's made for some interesting dinnertime conversation at our house. (HB being slightly to the right of Genghis Khan, and me bing a tad left of Gandhi, and that's not even considering our views on economics!)

06-24-2003, 10:34 AM

Economic Left/Right: -3.12
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -4.87

I tried to be completely honest this time and err on the side of caution.

elSicomoro · 06-24-2003, 11:16 AM

How many threads has the PC wound up on now? 4? 5? 12?

I'll retake it later...I'm almost certain that my views have shifted to the libertarian end of things...go figure, I hang out with a bunch of fucking libertarians.

hot_pastrami · 06-24-2003, 11:25 AM

On the political compass, I landed right in the neighborhood of Ghandi, Nelson Mandela, and the Dalai Lama. Wacky.

wolf · 06-24-2003, 11:43 AM

I'll have to retake the PC test, because I can't recall my results and I'm too damn lazy to look up the thread where I posted them.

As I recall, however, I came out even further hardline right than Slang did.

elSicomoro · 06-24-2003, 12:28 PM

New results:

Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.69

I'm basically at the same spot I am when I first took this test.

Is it just me, or have some of the questions changed?

06-23-2003, 05:40 PM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Dick Gephardt most unpresidential <i>"When I'm president, we'll do executive orders to overcome any wrong thing the Supreme Court does tomorrow or any other day," Gephardt said.</i> This quote has been verified (to the point of linking to a C-Span video and pointing out how far into it the statement happens) by the folks here. To me, this statement puts Mr. Gephardt out of consideration for the Presidency. Sure, I realize that many presidents have made executive orders that seem pretty unconstitutional on the face of it. But it's rare to see a candidate flatly state, right out, that he has such contempt for the system that he would try to override it, to enforce his own vision of how things should be. Every US President takes an oath to uphold the Constitution and a rather obvious action against it is something that should properly be grounds for impeachment. Let's save time by not voting for this weasel in the first place.

06-23-2003, 05:49 PM	#2
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I Saw that Speech He was trying to "me too" an affirmative action speech by Al Sharpton (after Dennis Kucinich did the same). That in itself shows bad judgement. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

06-23-2003, 06:29 PM	#3
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	For him to be elected and do that would be flat out wrong. However I don't think making that statement will eliminate him from the running. There's an awful lot of voters who have been prevented by the Supreme Court from ramming their personal agendas down the rest of our throats. A candidate making such a statement gives them hope of circumventing the court. If you add up all the anti-abortion, anti-gun, pro-school prayer, anti-Darwin, etc, etc voters, it make a substantial bloc. Scary, huh? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

06-23-2003, 09:34 PM	#8
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	The way things are looking right now, there is an excellent likelihood that I will be voting for Al Sharpton in the Democratic Primary ... (yeah. Democrat. Pick yer teeth up off the floor and deal with it) __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

06-24-2003, 11:25 AM	#13
hot_pastrami I am meaty Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,119	On the political compass, I landed right in the neighborhood of Ghandi, Nelson Mandela, and the Dalai Lama. Wacky. __________________ Hot Pastrami!

06-23-2003, 07:06 PM	#4
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Having lived in his district for 21 years, I can say with confidence that Gephardt has absolutely no business running for president.

06-23-2003, 07:45 PM	#5
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	But he has a high likelihood to win, because he's been around a long time and has a heavily entrenched organization and fund-raising apparatus. Clinton won the nomination at a time when all of the "real democratic contenders" were afraid to go up against Bush Sr. during his massive popularity following Gulf War Sr. Clinton wouldn't have stood a chance for the nomination in 1992 if Democrats who had national name recognition (including Gore, and Gephardt, and probably Biden, and others I'm too lazy to think back 10 years and remember) had run.

06-23-2003, 08:01 PM	#6
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	I dunno Steve. I don't know what his numbers are right now...the last poll I saw had him 3rd in Iowa. And I don't even think he'd win his home state. He didn't do so hot in 1984, and as I see it, he's looked upon as part of what's wrong with the Dems right now. That's why I don't think Daschle will run...a lot of moderates would laugh him off. Kerry and Edwards come across as, "Yeah, we're with the Dems, but we've got better ideas than the other putzes." And Dean seems to be the maverick one. The rest of them should pack their stuff up, go home, and dream a little dream. Though I would like to see Sharpton stick around, just to stir the pot. Lessee...who ran in '92 for the Dems? Tsongas, Jerry Brown, Tom Harkin, Bob Kerrey, and Clinton. That's based on what I remember, and some obscure magazine article.

06-24-2003, 05:09 AM	#9
dave Guest Posts: n/a	From what little I've read, Dean is looking like my man. A centrist disguised as a Democrat. w0rd.

06-24-2003, 10:34 AM	#11
dave Guest Posts: n/a	Economic Left/Right: -3.12 Authoritarian/Libertarian: -4.87 I tried to be completely honest this time and err on the side of caution.

06-24-2003, 11:16 AM	#12
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	How many threads has the PC wound up on now? 4? 5? 12? I'll retake it later...I'm almost certain that my views have shifted to the libertarian end of things...go figure, I hang out with a bunch of fucking libertarians.

06-24-2003, 11:43 AM	#14
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I'll have to retake the PC test, because I can't recall my results and I'm too damn lazy to look up the thread where I posted them. As I recall, however, I came out even further hardline right than Slang did. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

06-24-2003, 12:28 PM	#15
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	New results: Economic Left/Right: -4.38 Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.69 I'm basically at the same spot I am when I first took this test. Is it just me, or have some of the questions changed?

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