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Old 09-04-2005, 06:21 PM   #1
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George Jr did numerous actions to encourage the "He hates blacks" assumption. #1 on my list is all that food, water, and medicine that was not delivered by Air Force One.
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This racist propaganda is really starting to irritate me.
Then don't respond with emotion (ie "irritate me"). Deal with the facts - bluntly. Show me where the president did one action to demonstrate he was not racist. Not one reason exists to believe this is an accusation of racism. To believe otherwise is to take what was posted completely out of context. It is a simple statement. Show me one action by George Jr during this New Orleans disaster that could demonstrate he was not a racist. It is a simple question of logic that requires a simple answer in logic. Show me.

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Old 09-04-2005, 06:36 PM   #2
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Show me one action by George Jr during this New Orleans disaster that could demonstrate he was not a racist. It is a simple question of logic that requires a simple answer in logic. Show me.
um...he kissed two really attractive and recently washed black girls?

Too easy.
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Old 09-04-2005, 06:40 PM   #3
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Old 09-05-2005, 02:11 AM   #4
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The Hurrican Machine: Black People Beware!!!!

TW said: "Show me where the president did one action to demonstrate he was not racist."

"Show me one action by George Jr during this New Orleans disaster that could demonstrate he was not a racist. It is a simple question of logic that requires a simple answer in logic."

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TW, it sounds like you are saying W. has to prove he isn't a racist before he proves he is one. Maybe I am wrong here, but that is what I read. If that is what you are saying, show me one thing that says W. is a racist. And don't give me the typical "he hasn't done anything for black people, blah, blah, blah." I can show you Robert Bird (sp) is a racist. You have to prove you aren't something in order to not be accused of it from the start? Maybe I misunderstood your post. Maybe I'm off the lane here, but what you wrote sounded like that. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I still think the Bush Administration created a machine that can create and manipulate hurricanes and did so in New Orleans to specifically target the black community. That's racist, Man. Can you believe an administration would do that? It's horrible
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Old 09-05-2005, 01:12 PM   #5
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TW, it sounds like you are saying W. has to prove he isn't a racist before he proves he is one. Maybe I am wrong here, but that is what I read. If that is what you are saying, show me one thing that says W. is a racist.
That question was posted so that it would test your abilities to think logically. The question implies nothing. The question does not accuse George Jr of being a racist. Clearly the question was intentionally written to test responders. Can you simply answer the question OR do you have personal agendas that would distort the question?

Simply provide an example that George Jr is not a racist. After all, his appointments, promises (lies), and actions clearly left large numbers of blacks dead due to lack of food, water, and rescue. When such failures occur, the top man must fix the management problem immediately or be part of the problem. That being a basic definition of management as defined by William Edward Deming as demonstrated by his famous bead experiment. Even inaction by management is intentional action. And so we again ask, what did George Jr do that demonstrates he is not a racist.

Notice how UT uses his 'aluminum tubes are for WMD' reasoning to twist what TW has asked. I simply asked a simple question. UT attached personal baggage to the question. All I asked was
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based upon the actions and promises of George Jr during this week in New Orleans and Washington DC, can you show me a single fact - a single act - that says he does not hate blacks? ... Just the facts. Actions are the bottom line. Show me where George Jr did anything last week to dispell the rumors of racism. Show me.
So far the only logical reply was that he kissed some blacks that were showered, vetted, and carefully screened. George Jr will not go among the refugees of New Orleans. Four letter words from the audience make bad press. IOW the only reply that suggests he is not a racist is a staged photo op.

Answers to that question might be taken forward to other speculations or used to comprehend public reaction. But none of that was asked here. The question was intentionally phrased to expose who could stay logical and who would even attach their emotional baggage to that question as an opportunity to insult. Thank you, UT, for again demonstrating why your logic insisted those aluminum tubes were for WMDs.
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Old 09-06-2005, 01:33 AM   #6
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[quote=tw] "Can you simply answer the question OR do you have personal agendas that would distort the question?
Simply provide an example that George Jr is not a racist. And so we again ask, what did George Jr do that demonstrates he is not a racist."

I guess we would have to see the reaction of the administration if something like this occured in a largely white community. We can only guess until that point, or until we see W. in a KKK uniform burning a cross in Condi Rice's front lawn, which I know we will never see, or he frees the slaves, which I know we will also never see because there are none.
We must also take into consideration the environment and how difficult it is to get to the people. Also consider divising a plan that would get food and water to the people without creating a riot. Think of how the people would rush a truck full of food and water.
As far as an agenda, I don't want a situation to be turned into a racial thing without proof. I don't like to see race used as an issue in any case, Black, Brown, White, or otherwise.
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Old 09-06-2005, 02:35 AM   #7
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As far as an agenda, I don't want a situation to be turned into a racial thing without proof. I don't like to see race used as an issue in any case, Black, Brown, White, or otherwise.
Your response is admirable. However given that others need something positive or specific to feel otherwise and considering facts of this past week; the race card is being played daily. Look at all those pictures of George Jr on his latest photo shoot in MS, et al. You tell me he is not trying to fix his PR from Friday by challenging the race card. The race card exists no matter what you want because race is part of a first impression AND we all (unfortunately) judge based upon first impressions. First impression from this event - mostly blacks were left in the city to drown and then left for four days without food, water, or medicine.

Considering the facts of New Orleans, the race card was played long ago whether you like it or not. Gossip is only left to decide who played it first. And the list of players does include this president.

There is much credibility to the accusation that such would never have been permitted to happen in Orange County. One could not dispute that. Again, the only question remaining is why? Race, political influence, or money?

At any rate, given answers to the original question, it would be impossible to not have the race card played. Damage has been done. If not a race card, then something else must be to blame. And with spin, they must try to deflect blame away from presidential competance. Clearly not on the list of suspects is mother nature even though spin doctors will try that tactic as well. Something or someone must be blamed. If not the leadership's intellect, then why not racism?

A curious question for students of spin. Notice the only reason given to prove the president not a racist are the staged photo oppurtunities. Like it or not, the race cards are being played even by this White House.

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