Wall Street Protests

[TheMercenary]

What do you mean, "Not at the locations"?

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

What do you mean, "Not at the locations"?

Not to speak for HM, but none of the reports of violence that I've read have actually said a violent act was at or inside the Occupy encampments.
Certainly for PDX, the news reports have always said "near"

Maybe it's a small point, but for PDX news that is a major concession.
Our news media have taken the Police Association's hard line descriptors on every occasion.

[Undertoad]

What you really want is for the (seemingly large amount of) violent acts to not cloud the message of the overall protest.

But to try to do this by whitewashing the events, attempting to "manage the narrative" is not the right way, I think.

The dude came for the protest, lobbed a molotov cocktail into the PDX WTC, retreated into the camp and was arrested for starting fires there.

Was it better because he didn't lob his grenade into the camp? No... Does the story ring false because the reporter quoted the police involved? No...

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...occupy_po.html

It's a sad fact that civil disobedience attracts a lot of scumbags and morons, but that's part of the whole thing, and can't be so easily dismissed. Attempting to manage this problem by saying it doesn't exist will only attract more attention to the next event.

[gvidas]

The other category of deaths seem to have been things that would have happened anyway -- a veteran suicide, and a drug overdose.

I imagine that, as winter sets in, someone will freeze to death, or die sooner than they might have, and it will happen in a tent in an Occupy instead of a corner of vacant building.

Which is to say: the ills of society still exist. Ignoring them (or returning them to the previously-used methods of not regarding them) does not make them go away.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Not to speak for HM, but none of the reports of violence that I've read have actually said a violent act was at or inside the Occupy encampments.
Certainly for PDX, the news reports have always said "near"

Maybe it's a small point, but for PDX news that is a major concession.
Our news media have taken the Police Association's hard line descriptors on every occasion.

I guess there haven't been any rapes either. Maybe they were just in the minds of those attacked. They never really happened.

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

What you really want is for the (seemingly large amount of)
violent acts to not cloud the message of the overall protest.
But to try to do this by whitewashing the events,
attempting to "manage the narrative" is not the right way, I think.

The dude came for the protest, lobbed a molotov cocktail into the PDX WTC,
retreated into the camp and was arrested for starting fires there.

Was it better because he didn't lob his grenade into the camp?
No...
Does the story ring false because the reporter quoted the police involved? No...

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i...occupy_po.html

It's a sad fact that civil disobedience attracts a lot of scumbags and morons,
but that's part of the whole thing, and can't be so easily dismissed.
Attempting to manage this problem by saying it doesn't exist
will only attract more attention to the next event.

I take your point in suggesting I'm trying to "manage the narrative",
I don't see it that way. I know I am trying to separate issues when I see
over-reporting of negative events being attributed to the Occupy movement.
I agree that "that's part of the whole thing, and can't be so easily dismissed."
But it does need to be kept in perspective.
For example, why is "(seemingly large amount of)" inserted above ?

Does the news report in your link really sound like an valid, accurate characterization
of the month-long activities of the Occupy Portland protestors ?

A 29-year-old man was arrested this morning inside the Occupy Portland encampment,
police said, on suspicion of throwing a Molotov cocktail onto a staircase at the World Trade Center last night.
No one was injured in the incident, which scorched a staircase between two escalators at the center,
located at 121 Southwest Salmon Street.

Paul Corah, a Portland Fire Bureau spokesman, said Hodson was responsible
for the incendiary device as well as separate act of vandalism to the Smart Park parking structure
at 123 Southwest Jefferson Street.

He said Hodson was arrested and charged with multiple arson related crimes on Sunday evening
in connection with three separate rubbish fires set on Southwest Taylor Street
between Southwest 3rd and 5th avenues.
Agents from the federal bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms assisted in the investigation.

On Monday, Hodson told The Oregonian that he had just gotten into town
over the weekend from Redding, Calif., and decided to join Occupy Portland,
where he had taken it upon himself to greet people as they entered Lownsdale Square.

He said he found “a lack of cohesion” within the encampment,
which had allowed it to become “an eyesore for the community,
instead of something to be celebrated.”

Also today, police said they cited Justin Desantis for having alcohol
inside the Occupy Portland camp at Lownsdale Square and Chapman parks.
Desantis was excluded from the parks.

Another man, Shawn Kimmel, 31, was arrested for disorderly conduct,
possession of methamphetamine, carrying a concealed weapon
after officers contacted him for his aggressive behavior at the camp.
Kimmel was also arrested on an outstanding warrant for failure to appear
on a criminal trespassing charge out of Clackamas County.

In my opinion, this news report KGW report
entitled "Occupy assembly tries to distance itself from anarchists"
gives a more balanced description of the situation.
But despite the headline, it's title is addressed only in the last few seconds of the report.

And despite the reporter's comment, the PDX General Assembly has NOT put out a request
for others to come from Oakland or Seattle or other areas.
They have, instead, specifically rejected such offers from other groups.

Downtown PDX is not and was not crime free before Oct 1, 2011
We do have homeless, drugs, and some people do commit illegal acts.
Media reports implying that acts of violence within the 10-block radius,
or "near" the encampment are connected to "Occupy Portland,
should be viewed with healthy skepticism.

Unfortunately, I have to predict there will be a confrontation tonight,
and violence will be part of it.
We have to wait to see how the news media reports it all.
.

[TheMercenary]

NY: 10/1/2011 — Police Arrest More Than 700 Protesters on Brooklyn Bridge
Madison, WI: 10-27-2011 — Madison Occupiers Lose Permit Due to Public Masturbation
Phoenix: 10/28/2011 — Flier at Occupy Phoenix Asks, “When Should You Shoot a Cop?”
NY: 10/18/2011 — Thieves Preying on Fellow Protesters
NY: 10/9/2011 — Stinking up Wall Street: Protesters Accused of Living in Filth as Shocking Pictures Show One Demonstrator Defecating on a POLICE CAR
NY: 10/7/2011 — Occupiers Rush Police … More
Cleveland: 10/18/2011 — ‘Occupy Cleveland’ Protester Alleges She Was Raped
NY: 10/10/2011 — ‘Increasingly Debauched’: Are Sex, Drugs & Poor Sanitation Eclipsing Occupy Wall Street?
Seattle: 10/18/2011 — Man Accused of Exposing Self to Children Arrested
10/12/2011 — Iran Supports ‘Occupy Wall Street’
Portland: 10/16/2011 – #OccupyPortland Protester Desecrates Memorial To U.S. War Dead
Portland: 10/15/2011 — #OccupyPortland Protesters Sing “F*** The USA”
Chicago: 10/17/2011 — COMMUNIST LEADER Cheered at Occupy Chicago
10/15/2011 — American Nazi Party Endorses Occupy Wall Street‘s ’Courage,‘ Tells Members to Support Protests and Fight ’Judeo-Capitalist Banksters’
Boston: 10/14/2011 — Coast Guard member spit on near Occupy Boston tents
Boston: 10/11/2011 — Boston Police Arrest Over 100 from Occupy Boston
New York: 10/11/2011 — “You Can Have Sex with Animals.”
New York: 10/15/2011 — Harassing Police with Accusations of Phony Injuries
New York: 10/9/2011 – ‘Occupy Wallstreet’ Protesters Steal from Local Businesses
New York: 10/25/2011 — Three Men Threatened to Kill 24-Year-Old Occupy Wall Street Protester for Reporting Rape
Baltimore: 10/18/2011 — #OccupyBaltimore Discourages Sexual Assault Victims from Contacting Police
Portland: 10/27/2011 — Occupy Portland’s Attempt At Wealth Redistribution Ends In Theft
Los Angeles: 10/14/2011 – Anti-Semitic Protester at Occupy Wall Street
10/27/2011 — A Death Threat From an Occupy Wall Street Protester
10/27/2011 – Anti-Semitic Tweet From Occupier or Sympathizer
Boston: 10/20/2011 — Occupy Boston Doesn’t Want Police Involved in Rape
New York: 10/5/2011: Anti-Semitic Occupier Screams About Jews, Israel
New York: 10/4/2011 — Occupier Taunts Jewish Man
Boston: 10/2011 — Occupiers Block Street
New York: 10/2011 — Occupier Tries to Steal Police Officer’s Gun
New York: 10/27/2011 — Occupiers Block Traffic, Get Arrested
Oakland: 10/27/2011 — Occupiers Throw Garbage at Police
Oakland: 10/19/2011 — Abusive #OccupyOakland Protesters Ban Media from Tent City
Eugene, OR: 10/19/2011 — Occupiers Displace Farmers’ Market Threatening Hundreds of Jobs
Portland, OR: 10/18/2011 — Capitalist Offering Jobs at Occupy Portland Finds Few Takers
NY: 10/20/2011 — #OccupyWallStreet Threatens Businesses, Patrons
NY: 10/14/2011 — Violence Breaks Out During #OccupyWallStreet March Toward Stock Exchange
NY: 10/14/2011 — Protesters March On Wall Street, Scuffle With Cops
Oakland: 10/19/2011 — #OccupyOakland Protesters Threaten Reporter
Oakland: 10/26/2011 — Occupiers Scuffle with Police
Oakland: 10/24/2011 — Protesters Storm, Vandalize, Shut Down Chase Bank
Dayton, OH: 10/22/2011 — Protester: ‘F*ck The Military, F*ck Your Flag, And F*ck The Police’
Chicago: 10/14/2011 – Protesters’ Message At #OccupyChicago Rally: ‘Destroy Israel’
NY: 10/23/2011 — #OccupyWallStreet Supporter Rants Against Israel, Jews
NY: 10/22/2011 — #Occupy Kid: ‘Burn Wall Street, Burn!’
NY: 10/21/2011 — New Yorkers Fed Up With Noisy, Defecating Protesters
Oakland: 10/21/2011 — Occupy Oakland Evicted After Reports Of Crime And Intimidation
Oakland: 10/19/2011 — #OccupyOakland Out of Control: Rats, Graffiti, Vandalism, Sexual Harassment, Public Sex and Urination
Chicago: 10/26/2011 – Occupiers Under Investigation by FBI for Links to Terrorism
Cleveland: 10/29/2011 — Rape Reported at Occupy Cleveland
Dallas: 10/24/2011 — Police Investigating Possible Sexual Assault Of Teen At Occupy Dallas
Bloomington, IN: 10/26/2011 — Man Claims Occupy Bloomington Protesters Drugged, Handcuffed Him
NY: 10/10/2011 — Sex, Drugs and Hiding from the Law at Wall Street Protests
Glasgow: 10/26/2011 — Woman Gang-Raped
Boston: 10/23/2011 — Occupy Boston Protesters Arrested For Dealing Heroin – With 6 Year-Old in Tent
Portland: 10/16/2011 – Sex Offender Registers Occupy Portland Camp as Address
Denver: 10/15/2011 — Occupy Denver Demonstrator Accused of Groping TV Photographer
Lawrence, KS: 10/25/2011 — Sexual Assault Reported at Occupy Camp
Minneapolis, MN: Bricks, Rocks, ‘Riot Supplies’ Discovered by Police
Phoenix, AZ: 10/27/2011 — Neo-Nazis Patrol “Occupy Phoenix” With AR-15′s
Chicago: 10/26/2011 — Occupy Chicago Invades City Hall
10/26/2011 — ACORN, Occupy Email Talks About Assault on Banks
10/26/2011 – OccupyWallStreet Strategy for Reports of Violence Against Cops
Chicago: 10/26/2011 — Unrepentant Domestic Terrorist Bill Ayers Wows Occupiers
Chicago: 10/25/2011 — Ayers Coaches #OccupyChicago, Callsg for School ‘Occupations’
10/26/2011/ — Occupy Protests Have Jewish Leaders Concerned
Wash DC: 10/27/2011 – OccupyDC Leftists Provoke Police – Hang Flag on Top of DC Statue
Albuquerque, NM: 10/26/2011 — Occupy Squatters Riot With Police
San Diego: 10/25/2011 — Flag Used as Chew Toy by Occupier’s Dog
Oakland: 10/25/2011 — Occupiers Throw Bottles at Police
NY: 10/27/2011 — Occupy Wall Street Protesters: Rush Limbaugh Is Bigger Threat Than Al-Qaeda
10/27/2011 — Occupy Wall Street Launching First Nationwide General Strike in America Since 1946
NY: 10/28/2011 — Fox 5 News Reporter Assaulted at OWS
10/28/2001 — Total Occupy Arrests Made Thus Far: 2750
Nashville: 10/28/2011 — 30 Arrests Made at Wall St. Protest
NY: 10/20/2011 — Former Marine Tries to Taunt Police into Violence
NY: 1023/2011 — Islamist Group Joins with Occupy Wall Street
Los Angeles: 10/13/2011 — Roundup of Overt Occupy anti-Semitism
NY: 10/12/2011 — There are No Anti-Semites at Occupy Wall Street. Except for This Guy
Missoula, MT: 10/20/2011 — Drunk 11-Year-Old At Occupy Missoula, Adult Arrested
Oakland: 10/28/2011 — Bounty Out On Police Officer?
Manchester, NH: 10/28/2011 – Woman charged with pimping teen recruited at Occupy NH rally
San Diego: 10/28/2011 – 40 Occupiers arrested
Boston: 10/24/2011 — Occupy Boston Vandalism of Banks
Boston: 10/25/2011 – Store Owner Suffers 4 Break Ins Since Occupy Boston Began
Portland: 10/28/2011 — Portland Police: Buckets of Excrement Scattered Around #OccupyPortland Camp
Seattle: 10/20/2011 — Two Possible Occupiers Charged With Assault
Seattle: 10/18/2011 — Armed Felon Arrested at Occupy Seattle
Seattle: 10/18/2011 — A Tent Fight and (At Least) One Arrest at Occupy Seattle
Seattle: 10/17/2011 — Over 50 Cops Clear Westlake Occupation, Make Eight Arrests
Seattle: 10/13/2011 — Cops Arrest Several Occupy Protesters
Seattle: 10/13/2011 — Chanting Protesters Surround Police After Officers Arrest Two
Denver: 10/29/2011 — Protesters Clash with Police at OWS Denver
Austin: 10/13/2011 – Occupy Austin protesters arrested for blocking cleaning Crews
Calgary, CN: 10/28/2011 — Occupiers do $40,000 in Property Damage
Cincinnati, OH: 10/21/2011 — 23 Arrested, Remains of protests fill two dumpsters
Sacramento: 10/19/2011 – 9 arrested in ‘Occupy Sacramento’ protest
Sacramento: 10/13/2011 – Four More Occupy Sacramento Demonstrators Arrested
Austin, TX: 10/22/2011 – Man Arrested After Knife Incident at Occupy Austin Camp
Nashville: 10/29/2011 — Tenn. Protesters Arrested For 2nd Straight Night
Austin, TX: 10/30/2011 – Austin Police arrest 38 Occupy Austin Protesters
NY: 10/30/2011 — Woman Assaulted in Her tent
Orlando, FL: 10/28/2011 – Occupy Orlando, police clash over use of downtown park

[TheMercenary]

Orlando, FL: 10/26/2011 – 2 Occupy Orlando protesters arrested for trespass
Orlando, FL: 10/22/2011 – Police arrest 19 Orlando protesters on trespass charges
Asheville, NC: 10/30/2011 – Occupiers Clash with Homeless in Asheville
Nationwide: 10/27/2011 — Pro-Occupy Site claims 2511 Arrests Thus Far
Fort Worth, TX: 10/16/2011 — Arrests at Occupy Fort Worth Protest
NY: 10/29/2011 — Three Incidents of Anti-Semitism
San Francisco: 10/29/2011 — Anti-Semitic, Folsom Street Fair Types & Che Guevara Lovin
Oklahoma City: 10/30/2011 — Death of Street Poet at #OccupyOKC Treated as Homicide
Baltimore: 10/31/2011 — Woman Claims She was Raped at #OccupyBaltimore
Boston: 10/31/2001 — Alleged Heroin Dealer Joined Occupy Movement
Ottawa: 10/31/2011 — #OccupyOttawa Violent & Sexual Assaults Not Reported to Police
Santa Barbara, CA: 10/5/2011 — Occupiers Defy Police
Santa Barbara, CA: 10/6/2011 — 8 Occupiers Arrested
Denver, CO: 10/31/2011 — Occupiers Taunt Police, Knock Motorcycle Cop to Ground
Dallas, TX: 10/24/2011 — 23 Occupy Dallas Protesters Arrested After Bank Demonstration
Richmond, VA: 10/31/2011 — Arrests of Occupiers in Richmond
Dallas, TX: 1v1/1/2011: Man Arrested for Child Sex assault at Occupy Dallas Camp
NY: 11/1/2011 — Protesters Flock to STD-Test Clinics After Occupier ‘Free Love’
Iowa: 11/1/2011 — Occupiers Intend to Disrupt Iowa Caucus
NY: 11/1/2011 — Occupy Wall Street Costs Main Street Workers Their Jobs
San Diego: 10/29/2011 — Businesswoman Closes Shop After Threats By Occupiers
Palm Desert, CA: 11/1/2011 — Occupiers Arrested
Tampa, FL: 10/24/2011 — Six Occupiers Arrested
Tampa, FL: 10/27/2011 – Two More Arrested In Connection to Occupy Tampa Movement
Tampa, FL: 10/29/2011 – Occupy Tampa Protesters Arrested After Scuffle With Police
Oakland, CA: 11/3/2011 — Rallies Turn Violent
Seattle, WA: 11/2/2011 — Cops, Protesters Clash
Oakland, CA: 11/3/2011 — Protests Degenerate Into Chaos
Tulsa, OK: 11/2/2011 — Occupiers Clash With Police
Sacramento, CA: 11/2/2011 — Occupiers Smash County Vehicle Windows
Philadelphia: 11/2/2011 — Occupiers Arrested
Charlottesville, VA: 11/1/2011 — Underage Drinking at Occupy Charlottesville Site
Portland: 11/2/2011 — Occupier Shoves Police Officer into Moving Bus
Oakland: 11/2/2011 — Malkin’s Collection of Vandalism and Menacing Signs
NYC: 11/3/2011 — Occupier Busted In Tent Grope, Suspected In Rape
NYC: 11/4/2011 – 16 OWS Protesters Arrested at Goldman Sachs HQ
Oakland, CA: 11-3-2011 — Occupy-Friendly Business Vandalized
Asheville, NC: 11/3/2011 — 24 Occupiers Arrested
Raleigh, NC: 10/28/2011 – Eight at Occupy Raleigh Arrested After Standoff
NYC: 11/4/2011 — Deranged Homeless Man Goes on Violent Rampage In Zuccotti Park
Dallas, TX: CPS Seizes Baby From ‘Occupy Dallas’ Site
Wash DC: 11/4/2011 — Occupier Uses Child as Human Shield — Video
Wash DC: 11/4/2011 — Occupiers Try to Storm Americans for Prosperity Event — Video
Omaha, NE: 11/3/2011 — Three Occupiers Arrested
Atlanta: 11/3/2011 — Protester Turns On Fellow Protester With Knife
Los Angeles: 10/28/2011 — Drug Use and Property Damage
Boston, MA: 11/4/2011 — 3 Charged With Dealing Crack; Occupy Boston ‘Deteriorating’
Boston, MA: 11/4/2011 — Occupiers Storm Israeli Consulate; Anti-Israel Chants — Video
Vancouver, CN: 11/5/2011 – Occupy Vancouver Death Dooms Protest Camp
Fort Collins, CO: 11/4/2011 — Occupier Arrested for Setting Fire to Condo Complex … $10M Damage
Chula Vista, CA: 11/6/2011 — Underage Girl Missing From Occupy Protests
Los Angeles, CA: 11/5/2011 – Two Assaults Raise Concerns About Crime at Occupy L.A.
Dallas, TX: 11/5/2011 — Eight Arrests at Dallas Bank Protest
Olympia, WA: 11/5/2011 – Two Occupy Protesters Arrested
Seattle, WA: 11/3/2011 — Occupiers Cost City $426,000; Most of it Police Overtime
Olympia, WA: 11/2/2011 — 3 Occupiers Arrested for Suspected of Robbing Local Wine Merchant
Worcester, MA: 11/6/2011 — 25 Occupiers Arrested
Milwaukee, WI: 11/2/2011 — Photojournalist, Two others Arrested at Protest … Video
Milwaukee, WI: 10/20/2011 — Police Confront Occupier –Video … Arrested
Wash. DC: 11/5/2011 — Rampaging Occupiers Attack 78 Year-Old Woman — Video
Rochester, NY: 11/3/2011 — 161 Occupiers Arrested at Park
NYC: 11/5/2011 – Police Clash With Occupiers, 20 Arrested at Courthouse Protest
NYC: 11/5/2011 — Occupier Arrested for Vandalizing McDonald’s; Wanted Free Food
Asheville, NC: 11/5/2011 – Four Occupiers Arrested
Honolulu, HI: 11/6/2011 — Police Arrest Half-Dozen Occupiers
Waikiki, HI: 11/7/2011 — Two Dozen Occupiers Arrested
Portland, OR: 11/7/2011 — Occupiers Arrested for Threatening Restaurant Employees
Portland, OR: 11/7/2011 — Occupier Arrested for Threatening Security Staff with Hammer
Augusta, GA: 10/28/2011 — Occupier Arrested in Knife Threat
Portland OR: 11/9/2011 — Police Suspect Occupiers in Molotov Cocktail Attack
Sacramento, CA: 11/7/2011 — Homeless Clash With Occupy Protesters At Park
New Orleans: 11/8/2011 — Man Dead for Two Days Found in Occupy Encampment
San Diego: 11/7/2011 — Occupiers Splatter Vendor Food Carts with Blood, Urine
Los Angeles: 11/7/2011 — Occupiers Shut Down Burger King — Video
Atlanta, GA: 11/6/2011 — Occupiers Arrested After Attacking Police
St. Louis, MO: 11/9/2011 — Occupiers Hack Into Mayor’s Website
Oakland, CA: 11/8/2011 — “Dangerous” Occupiers Hurting Small Business Owners
Vancouver, CN: 11/8/2011 — Occupiers Bite Two Police Officers
Wash DC: 11/8/2011 — Occupiers Use Children to Block Traffic — Video
Portland, OR: 11/9/2011 — Occupiers Threaten Citizen-Journalist – Video
Wash DC: 11/8/2011 — Occupiers Use Racial Taunts Against Black Security Guard — Video
Eureka, CA: 11/9/2011 — Occupier Defecates in Bank – Video
Wash DC: 11/5/2011 – Occupiers Menace Children, Female Reporter – Video
Portland, OR: 11/8/2011 — Occupiers Menace News Crew – Video
NYC: 11/8/2011 — Occupier: ‘I Wouldn’t Give a F**k if 9/11 Happened 911 More Times’
NYC: 11/8/2011 — Small Business Owner Threatened, Terrorized By Occupiers
San Francisco, CA: 11/10/2011 — Occupier Threatens Park Ranger
Burlington, VT: 11/10/2011 — Veteran Shoots Self at Encampment
Oakland, CA: 11/3/2011 — ‘Occupy Oakland’ Goes After Cop
NYC: 11/10/2011 — EMT Assaulted at Occupy Wall Street
San Diego, CA: 11/10/2011 — Occupier Attacks Woman with Camera
Berekely, CA: 11/10/2011 — 39 Occupiers Arrested
Westwood, CA: 11/9/2011 — 11 Occupiers Arrested for Blocking Traffic
Fresno, CA: 11/9/2011 — 40 Occupiers Arrested
Toledo, OH: 11/1/2011 — 2 Occupiers Arrested
Houston, TX: 11/9/2011 — 10 Occupiers Arrested
NYC: 11/8/2011 — Hobbyist Photographer Describes Assault in Zuccotti Park
Oakland, CA: 11/10/2011: Fatal Shooting Over Drugs
Oakland: CA: 11/10/2011 — Protesters Attack News Crew Covering Fatal Shooting
Pasadena, CA: 11/10/2011 — Occupiers Announce Plans to Disrupt Rose Bowl Parade
Tampa, FL 11/10/2011 — Three Occupiers Arrested
Portland, OR: 11/10/2011 — Occupiers Billed for Police Car Vandalism
Olympia, WA: 11/11/2011 — Occupiers Asked to Pack Up After Assault, Drug Arrests
Denver, CO: 11/11/2011 — Occupiers Storm BlogCon11 … One Arrest
Salt Lake City, UT: 11/12/2011 — Protest Shut Down After Body Discovered In Tent
San Francisco: 11/8/2011 — Shoplifting, Fights On The Rise Around Encampment
San Francisco: 11/10/2011 — Occupiers Accused of Ferry Building Thefts, Filth
San Francisco: 11/10/2011 — Protester Busted For Gun Violation Arrested Again
Mobile, AL: 11/9/2011 — 18 Occupy Protestors Arrested

Hot links available to each event:
http://biggovernment.com/jjmnolte/20...-sheet-so-far/

[Stormieweather]

I don't think one or two or a hundred criminal types represent ALL of the Occupy movement. It's no more accurate to attempt to portray them ALL as losers and bums than it is to portray them ALL as nurses (because some are involved with Occupy) or ALL as union folk (because some unions endorsed it). Not everyone on Wall Street is a bad guy either. Plenty of people that work there are just trying to survive like the rest of us.

There are bad people everywhere. And a heck of a lot more in our government that should be...thus my personal outrage and empathy with OWS.

ETA: All the trespass charges are part and parcel of protesting so you lost me right there, Merc.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

ETA: All the trespass charges are part and parcel of protesting so you lost me right there, Merc.

Not trying to gain you. Trespass charges count.

Major crimes are happening in these places and there are enough reports of the idiots running these things preventing the cops from coming in and doing their jobs.

[Undertoad]

Does the news report in your link really sound like an valid, accurate characterization of the month-long activities of the Occupy Portland protestors ?

It doesn't have to be. It's just reporting these events.

[Lamplighter]

Police Report Savannah Airport Center of Crime Ring

Major crimes are happening there and there are enough reports
of the idiots running these things preventing the cops
from coming in and doing their jobs.



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I don't believe that...it's a cheap trick... in fact I made up the headline, but the map is true.

Here is the same map (dates/kinds of crimes) for PDX centered on the Occupy Portland encampment


The Occupy Portland encampment is in "Chapman Square" near the bottom of the map

My point being one or a few news media reports with misleading
headlines and/or visuals can sway public opinion.
I think the link to the above maps can be informative about the background of any crime reports

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

....misleading
headlines and/or visuals can sway public opinion.

As can reports that soften the issues and sweep what is really happening at these protests under the rug. Many of these places are nothing less than human cesspools.

[TheMercenary]

According to Portland Police, crime in the area of the Occupy protest is up 18 percent compared to last year.

In response, Portland Mayor Sam Adams wrote an open letter to the protesters, saying the current situation is not sustainable.

http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/im..._stat_comp.pdf

http://www.examiner.com/conservative...-up-18-percent

[ZenGum]

If you flood the area with cops with a low-tolerance brief, crime statistics will rise.

If you make a list of sound-bite headlines you'll come up with plenty. Look deeper.

No doubt there are criminals hiding amongst the legitimate protesters. But when you see these reports of "man arrested at OWS for ..." ask yourself, did the other protesters cooperate with the police in identifying and detaining? Or did they resist this? I'm yet to hear of a case where someone accused of a non-protest related crime was protected by the protesters.

Most of the people at Occupy movements are there with the aim of saving society, not preying upon it. The actions of a few, who may just be using the crowd for their own purposes, should not blind us to that.

Here's an analogy. Consider Merc's list of headlines. Now imagine a corresponding list of every bad headline about the US military, both the misdeeds actually committed and the unfair accusations. I'm talking anything from thrill killing in Afghanistan to a bar brawl in Okinawa. Should this list taint the reputation of all military people as a bunch of thugs who should be ignored? No. Absolutely not. Nor should the actions of the fringe at OWS taint the whole movement.

ETA: actually came here to say ... feel the love, man: