First strike and your out!

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Originally posted by MaggieL
Look, I happen to believe people have the right to defend themselves. Further, I don't believe they need to wait for assault to become battery to be justified in doing so. Why give the bad guys the advantage?

You and Curtis LeMay advocate same when he said that we were already at war - just that the public did not yet know it. Good thing for us that smarter people prevailed over LeMay - repeatedly. You advocate same thoughts by Tojo when Japan planned Pearl Harbor. Where is your logic different from those extremists? They too felt threatened and therefore advocated surprise attack. You say same thing.

Reality: responsible nation must be attacked before it can attack or it must be part of an international body whose members have been attacked (ie Nato, UN). That is fundamental to international law AND to US principals.

Fundamental in US history is what we have learned from our mistakes. However those lessons from history are what you call foaming and ranting - which I regard as a personal insult because you could not distpute the facts.

You advocate the mentality of Tojo. Robert Kennedy's quote applies to same right wing extremist thinking - that we can attack anyone we want IF we only feel threatened. You advocate policies dangerous to US integrity and in direct violation of international law - by totally ignoring everything only because you feel threatened. Apparently a post full of history is too difficult for you to understand - so you insult?

Where is this so dangerous nation you fear? Iraq? Why is Saddam still there? George Sr 's advisor - same men in George Jr's administration - so screw up - so failed to perform their jobs - that Saddam is still there. Sounds more like revenge - which also is not a legitamete reason for war. If the US public is mislead into promoting a surprise attack, then maybe the public will not rise up against a right wing extermist administration. Only one in denial of international law, against US principals, and in love with an administration that fears would advocate the oh-so silly 'axis of evil' and surprise attacks.

Do you advocate an attack on Iraq only because George Jr advisors fear a man who survived their mismanagement? Let not forget their biases and why we cannot just accept what they say - (ie. mythical 'dirty nuc' bomber so that the Haliburton 'cooked books' story did not get top billing). Saddam exposed that Cheney, et al were not doing their job. Thank you Margaret Thatcher who put the backbone into George Sr after Cheney, et al removed it. Now MaggieL wants to attack Saddam only to revenge the mistakes of George Sr's right wing senior staff members - or is it just due to fear?

First learn lessons of history. Read Robert Kennedy's Thirteen Days and show us why the Kennedy's were so wrong. They must be wrong to give your position any credibilty. Currently your logic is identical to a war monger who foams at the mouth - all emotion and uneducated by history lessons. I thought you were better informed than to think like Tojo - and then insult others you cannot dispute.