The real cost of IRAQ: PTSD and the second war

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Doesn't it give you pause to think you're rationalizing tens of millions of deaths?

He's the problem with your reasoning UT. You worry about a paltry ten million (although the actual number is far smaller). I worry about first about the ten billion.

When you override well proven princples "to save people from themselves", then we have Iraq. We went in to save 24 million. Therefore we caused the deaths of 98,000 Iraqis. Where is the morality in that?

Not everyone wants democracy. Furthermore democracy does not necessarily create freedom. If it did, then how do you account for one of the world's greatest human rights violators in 1860 - the United States.

Democracy and freedom must be earned. If a country must sacrifice a few 100,000 to do so, then the democracy or freedom will be cherished. But they must do the sacrifice. They must prove that they want that democracy or that freedom. It must be earned - somethings with massive deaths - that that many others will not die.

Once a nation tries to impose democracy on another, then democracy has a routine habit of becoming tyranny.

IOW those who want to 'save' others - others who don't want to first save themselves - only then create Vietnams and iraqs. The two events are so stunningly similar right down to a national army that never stays for the fight and an insurgency that grows immensely faster than anyone can predict. This is what happens when some nation 'feels' god sent them to save others from themselves. It is also called a Crusade.