There are no illegal immigrants in America

[Radar]

Originally Posted by binky

Trust me Buster, as a lifelong Californian, not all of us feels the way Radar does about the immigration problem here-not even close. Most of the people I know would like to leave California over this mess, and I will be doing just that when we retire

The immigration problem? I don't see a problem at all. Immigrants built America. The undocumented immigrants who came here last night are no different than the Irish, Dutch, German, Italian, Greek, French, etc. immigrants who came before them.

America's greatest strength is our diversity. Those who fear competition for work don't deserve to have any.

[binky]

Originally Posted by Radar

The immigration problem? I don't see a problem at all. Immigrants built America. The undocumented immigrants who came here last night are no different than the Irish, Dutch, German, Italian, Greek, French, etc. immigrants who came before them.

America's greatest strength is our diversity. Those who fear competition for work don't deserve to have any.

sure they are Radar do you see billboards in the Irish, Dutch, German etc neighborhoods in their native languages? Do they make the schools teach their kids in their native language because they are too fucking lazy to learn English? No those immigrants were required to learn English to become citizens

[Undertoad]

Well alrighty then.

Have immigration laws been Constitutionally tested in the courts? What was the result?

edit: Under the Constitution, what rights do non-citizens have?

[Undertoad]

Aha - right after posting that, I found it:

Article I Section 8: The Congress shall have power ... To establish a uniform rule of naturalization

What of that, expert?

edit: here's a page that explains how immigration law has worked through history and it's utterly clear that Congress' efforts to manage immigration were exactly as intended from the beginning.

[busterb]

What? Ya think he's going to click a link that might show him as full of shit?

[fargon]

I have no problem with people coming here to improve their lives, just stop and sign the f@#$%ing guest book along the way!!!
P.S. I'm an exiled Californian myself.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by fargon

I have no problem with people coming here to improve their lives, just stop and sign the f@#$%ing guest book along the way!!!

Exactly, ok lemme see here, you're a rapist/murderer molester.... no thanks!

[xoxoxoBruce]

Or have a communicable disease, shunt to the Doctors for an evaluation and treatment, if there is one.

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by binky

sure they are Radar do you see billboards in the Irish, Dutch, German etc neighborhoods in their native languages?

Out of all the problems ever addressed in the immigration issue including healthcare, taxes, fraud, population, wages, terrorism, jobs, crime, etc, your biggest problem is...billboards in other languages?

Not really a city person, are ya?

[binky]

not at all Kitsune, that was just the first obvious difference that popped into my head, and as a matter of fact grew up in San Diego, which now sucks

[Radar]

Originally Posted by binky

sure they are Radar do you see billboards in the Irish, Dutch, German etc neighborhoods in their native languages? Do they make the schools teach their kids in their native language because they are too fucking lazy to learn English? No those immigrants were required to learn English to become citizens

Everyone is required to learn English to become a citizen. What's your point? They aren't interested in becoming citizens. They are fine just being immigrants and their children can be citizens. Many of them plan to go back to Mexico when they retire.

Also, it took 2-3 generations for many Germans to start speaking English. The same is true of Italians, Polish, Russians and many others. Those who immigrated here tried to build a better life for their children. Their children, grandchildren, or great grandchildren learned English and became citizens.

What's wrong with having billboards in other languages? Clearly there is a market for people who speak that language. Who are you to tell someone else what language they must put on a billboard?

I'm sure you are aware that English is not the language of America because America has no official language. We've done pretty good without one so far.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Well alrighty then.

Have immigration laws been Constitutionally tested in the courts? What was the result?

edit: Under the Constitution, what rights do non-citizens have?

Under the Constitution non-citizens have the same rights as any other human being. Our rights don't come from the Constitution. The only thing they can't do is vote. They have a right to trial by jury, to travel anonymously, to be secure in their personal effects (privacy), etc.

As far as the courts testing the Constitutionality, that is irrelevant. The courts routinely rule in violation of the Constitution including the Supreme Court.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Aha - right after posting that, I found it:

Article I Section 8: The Congress shall have power ... To establish a uniform rule of naturalization

What of that, expert?

edit: here's a page that explains how immigration law has worked through history and it's utterly clear that Congress' efforts to manage immigration were exactly as intended from the beginning.

Naturalization is the process by which an immigrant may become a citizen. It has absolutely nothing to do with how someone becomes an immigrant in the first place. Having power to make rules over naturalization does not grant any power whatsoever over immigration.

Congress is PROHIBITED from making legislating anything not specifically enumerated in the Constitution and PROHIBITED from having any "implied" powers.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by binky

not at all Kitsune, that was just the first obvious difference that popped into my head, and as a matter of fact grew up in San Diego, which now sucks

I went to basic training in San Diego. It was beautiful then, and it still is.

[Griff]

Radar, I agree completely with the spirit of what you're saying. Unfortunately, the Constitution is no longer in effect. It has become something to give a nod to like the Magna Carta. We live in UG's magical democracy now, anything goes.