My Priest licks Dics - the church condones it

[tw]

The Catholic Church has done something that would be considered grossly unacceptable in the 1950s and 1960s. They have ordered American, Catholic politicians to impose church doctrine on all Americans. Religion was once only a relationship between you and your god. A lesson learned from 'evil' created in events such as the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, and Thirty Years War. But again, religion is a force to be imposed on all others, the laws, the Supreme Court, community walls, non-believers, and even Middle East dwellers.

This is good since the church is so moral. Of course. There is good. And then there is evil. Life is really that simple. Clearly there is no ambiguity since the Bible (like the Constitution) tells all.

Meanwhile, others are dealing with reality. Lynne Abraham, District Attorney for Philadelphia, subpoenaed the Catholic Church for records. Discovered are records for hundreds of priests known to be pedophiles by the church. Priests reassigned in some cases even into Catholic schools.

This is an abridged list of priests the Church knew about. You can bet there are far more:
List of Assignments of Sexually Abusive Priests
That means multiple Cardinals of Philadelphia knew about the problem and conspired to suppress and hide it. Yes, both retired Cardinal Anthony Bevilacqua (1988-2003) and Cardinal John Krol could be indicted as accessories after the fact. If politics did not get its ugly hand in the way, we would do just that. After all, 85% of all problems are directly traceable to whom? These Cardinals (et al)? Or the religous extremists who protect these men? They knew of the problem and literally did nothing -

To protect themselves from negative publicity or expensive lawsuits—while keeping abusive priests active—the cardinals and their aides hid the priests’ crimes from parishioners, police and the general public ...

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More information located at The Clergy Abuse Issue posted 14 Sept 2005 (yes I waited to see if anyone here was interested enough in raising this issue only to be decidedly disappointed). Also is a copy of the Grand Jury's 424 page report: REPORT OF THE GRAND JURY

Well not exactly nothing. The Church is currently all but excommunicating a group acting as god's messenger. 'Voices of the Faithful' have been banned from all church properties simply for demanding reform from people so corrupt as to, instead, hide pedophilia. So you tell me which are god's chosen people and which really are the evil ones?

For those seeking a bottom line - the last people who should be making American laws are religious types - people who are most divorsed from reality (funny - the church does not permit divorse - but an annulment can be purchased - sacrements bought and sold?). Only dangerous people would preach goodness from the pulpit while persecuting homosexuals - as if homosexuality were the problem. When do they learn the definition of the word 'denial'.

Currently, the church is on another witch hunt for homosexuals within some 250 theology schools. These are moral men? Or just people so perverted as to even advocate church political doctrine in simplistic terms of 'good and evil'. Remeber, these are the people who would reform American laws - to save you from yourself.

What we do know is that the church advocates 'hate of homosexuals' while turning a blind eye to pedophilia. Those are facts. We even have an abridged list of pedophiles only in SE Pennsylvania - a small corner of PA - right from the Church's own archives. At what point does the Catholic Church finally acknowledge, "They have met satan and it is them."

[tw]

Alternative website for same information:
Philadelphia Grand Jury Report on Pedophile Priests And the Archbishops Who Protect Them

One abusive priest was transferred so many times that, according to the Archdiocese’s own records, they were running out of places to send him where he would not already be known.

[kelliekd]

I have found that the most unapolegitic hypocrites can be found within the hallowed walls of church. Pelase do not take this as a bashing of good people, but usually the most involved in "Godly" activities are the most condemning bastards out there. But then again there is no feeling like being shunned from the Godly establishment because your "leader" doesn't like you

[tw]

Originally Posted by kelliekd

I have found that the most unapolegitic hypocrites can be found within the hallowed walls of church.

Maybe that is the real reason why priests, bishops and cardinals don't have wives. Nothing like a nagging spouse to restore reality and humility. Clearly such virtues are not part of the Church - as the current Philadelphia Cardinal demonstrated when verbally challenged in a 'secret' meeting with 300 diocese priests who demanded change. The Cardinal is said to have openly refused. But at least he let them vocalize.... which is normally not permited in dictatorships, communism, or the church.

Do I sound harsh? Maybe blunt. Posted is consistent with facts and stated without spin or politeness. If horny priests only had a spouse to remind 'their Holiness' where reality lies.

I wonder when the Church will finally excommunicate me - an honor akin to being on Nixon's Enemies List which I also never achieved.

[busterb]

Originally Posted by kelliekd

I have found that the most unapolegitic hypocrites can be found within the hallowed walls of church. Pelase do not take this as a bashing of good people, but usually the most involved in "Godly" activities are the most condemning bastards out there.

AMEN

[Elspode]

More harm has been done in the name of religion than just about anything else. Anyone who claims that God is on their side/they are doing God's will should be avoided like...like...like an asteroid bearing down on you from the sky.

The Catholic Church was once the most corrupt government on Earth. Now it is just another business scrabbling to keep its customers, even if they've been systematically raped by those who were supposed to serve and enlighten them.

Ptui.

[Bullitt]

Cruel and power hungry people will use whatever is at their disposal to create a means to their twisted ends. It's sad that religion was, is, and will be, so often used. Since it relates to the hearts and minds of the people following. Religion gives alot of people a sense of purpose, self worth, and that can easily be used for evil just as it can be for good, there has been alot of good done in the name of religion too you must remember.

[Bullitt]

Originally Posted by tw

Maybe that is the real reason why priests, bishops and cardinals don't have wives. Nothing like a nagging spouse to restore reality and humility. Clearly such virtues are not part of the Church - as the current Philadelphia Cardinal demonstrated when verbally challenged in a 'secret' meeting with 300 diocese priests who demanded change. The Cardinal is said to have openly refused. But at least he let them vocalize.... which is normally not permited in dictatorships, communism, or the church.

Do I sound harsh? Maybe blunt. Posted is consistent with facts and stated without spin or politeness. If horny priests only had a spouse to remind 'their Holiness' where reality lies.

I wonder when the Church will finally excommunicate me - an honor akin to being on Nixon's Enemies List which I also never achieved.

I really think the problem is due to the whole celibacy issue. Priests, etc., should be allowed to marry, have sex, and have kids and be good parents. It's only right if they believe that are supposed to represent the kind of life their followers should lead in regards to their actions in their life and faith.

[xoxoxoBruce]

What we do know is that the church advocates 'hate of homosexuals' while turning a blind eye to pedophilia.

I think you'll find that a higher percentage of priests are queer than the general population.

Slightly off topic ~ I got an email from a friend the other day telling me his cousin, the catholic priest, was reassigned to a church in Delaware after $7,000 in collections went missing. The parish that lost the money was asked by the church to pray for the priest(thief).

[Troubleshooter]

Wasn't it Jefferson who said, "I don't fear the godly man, but the man of god."?

[wolf]

The church's problem is more about gay predation on teenagers than it is actual child molestation.

But gays have a much better public image currently than pedophiles, so it's spin control.

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

Wasn't it Jefferson who said, "I don't fear the godly man, but the man of god."?

Whover said it speaks for me.

[OnyxCougar]

Religion should not be confused with honest spirituality and sincere relationship with God. Religion is the mass tool used for control. Always has been, always will be. My viewpoint is that no one is going to tell me how to vote, or "punish" me if I break some surruptitious rule. That's God's job. My relationship with Him is no one else's business. If you want to sway my vote, lay down the facts and candidate voting records and I will determine who I want to represent me.

I believe in the separation of church and state, insofar as it prevents a monopoly on religious bullying. I don't think the "separation of church and state" means that you can't be a spiritual person and run a country/state/county/city, or that we need to pull down 10 commandments from courthouses. But I definitely see a problem with "big R" Religion in this country. Whack jobs like Robertson need to re-evaluate their Jesus-like qualities (or lack thereof).

[Troubleshooter]

Blah, blah, blah.

If we didn't have spirituality we wouldn't have religion. If people would quit looking for excuses or hollow comfort we'd be much better off.

[OnyxCougar]

I agree. The culture of the America is to deny personal responsibility. It's time we started paying for our own mistakes as individuals, and facing the consequences for our actions. But that's not gonna happen on a large scale when mommy the real estate agent is too busy to get involved in her kids' lives and daddy is too obessed with "getting over on" some guy at work to grab his promotion so he can shit on more people to care.