Johnny Carson: 1925-2005

elSicomoro · 01-23-2005, 02:07 PM

A trailblazer...and there weren't many comedians that were better than him. Rest in peace...

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Radar · 01-23-2005, 02:15 PM

You beat me to posting this. It's a very sad day. He was by far the best host of the show.

richlevy · 01-23-2005, 03:48 PM

Another great one lost.

Thanks for all of the laughs Mr. Carson.

Elspode · 01-23-2005, 04:04 PM

I'm actually old enough to remember late night television before Johnny Carson. Flickers of Jack Paar bounce around inside my head now and again, and by the time Steve Allen came along with his more slapstick, Everyman form of show, I was hooked...at all of eight years old.

When the new guy came along, I was sad to see my buddy "Steve Rat", leave the show (I called him Steve Rat because "rat" was just about as bad a thing as you could call people on TV back then...no one ever said "ass" or "dick" or any of the other things that fly freely across today's airwaves). Who was this Carson guy, anyway?

I didn't know it, and probably my late-night loving parents didn't either, but the plucky Nebraska kid was destined to become the standard by which all late night - or rather, *all* television talk shows - would be judged. With a standup comedian's style, a vaudevillian's facial expressions, and a personality that often reminded me of Jack Benny, Johnny Carson brought to the relatively young talk show format a perfectly tailored style, a quick wit and a sense of inclusion of the viewer that no one had ever before been able to muster.

Watching Johnny do his show was always a bit like being let in on something. When he chatted with guests, it seemed to me as though I was being allowed to listen in at a party, rather than viewing something from an audience. The opening comedic monologue, now a staple no talk show would ever do without, was brought to the fore by Johnny Carson. A brilliant gag writer, Carson would regale his audience with topical humor about politics, famous persons, national events and his own observations on life, and leave you laughing in the aisles every time.

I was fortunate enough, as a boy of 13, to see Johnny Carson do his stand up act in Las Vegas. For 50 minutes, he had my youthful funnybone screaming for mercy. I literally cried with laughter as Johnny spun tales of his country youth, the crazy world of show business, and just about anything else you might imagine. After the show, my father and I went to coffee shop of the hotel for dessert, and there, two booths over, sat Johnny, Doc Severinsen and their wives (Doc had opened the show for Johnny in Vegas, as on TV, with his amazing trumpet playing and incredible band). It was as close as I've ever come to running over to someone famous and making a fool of myself by gushing all over them. Even then, he was The Man, the kingpin, the maker and breaker of careers.

It is probably difficult to overstate the importance of being a performer and being seen on The Tonight Show when it was in its heyday. Getting asked to appear was a sign you'd arrived in the world of entertainment; for young comedians, being invited to sit on the couch next to Johnny after your "Five" was like being blessed by the Pope himself. And Johnny made the careers of many of the world's top comedians by dint of their appearances alongside him, including the career of his successor, Jay Leno.

News reports in recent days related that Johnny had been sending jokes to David Letterman in the years since retiring from the Tonight Show. It seems that Letterman was Johnny's choice to take over The Tonight Show. Carson's still-fertile comic mind couldn't pick up a newspaper without thinking of four or five good jokes about what he'd read, so he sent them along to Dave by way of being supportive of the guy who he saw as still being closest to the format which he himself had originated. Sadly, on the heels of this story, comes today's news that Johnny Carson has passed, a victim of emphysema at age 79.

Immortality is a dicey proposition at best. Sometimes a person is made memorable by dint of being an ass. Sometimes we have them ingrained in our minds because they are generous, or pious, or attractive. Johnny is an immortal, because no one, *no one*, can ever hope to do what he did better than he did it. In a field with many contenders, Carson is the 500 pound gorilla, the acme of what a talk show host can and should be.

No matter how many talk show hosts come and go, no matter how funny, endearing, controversial, marriage-prone, wealthy, eccentric or well-dressed they are, they can only aspire to be what Johnny Carson was to the average American television viewer. He was the man in our living rooms - nay, our *bedrooms* - smiling at us, talking to us, making us laugh our asses off. He was the guy who had a small furry mammal jump on his head and pee, he was the turbaned Karnak, blowing open envelopes to read the question to the answer he had just intuited, and making us howl with the result. He was the guy who could insult Ed McMahon about being a drunk and never make us feel like he'd hurt anyone's feelings. He made the style and color of Doc's shirts a running joke, he 'koochie-koochied' alongside Charo, did the soft shoe with the Rat Pack, and when he went home, he looked up at the stars through his Celestron 14 telescope and dreamed of other worlds.

Johnny Carson was a singular human being, an icon, a deserved legend...the retired, reigning, undefeated, untied King of Late Night. God save the King.

Radar · 01-23-2005, 05:00 PM

elSicomoro · 01-23-2005, 05:12 PM

That's what I'm talking about, Ep...nice work!

wolf · 01-23-2005, 05:19 PM

Beautifully said, Elspode.

I have a lot of Johnny memories ... some of them actually mine (i.e., I saw them on the show), some of them the result of numerous restrospective shows. I hope that at some point this week I get to see some of these moments again, especially Hatchet Throwing, and the Dragnet gag ... Claude Cooper from Cleveland copped the Clean Copper Clappers 'cause he's a kleptopmaniac.

Brilliant delivery, on both Johnny's part, and Jack Webb's.

It's because of Johnny that every year I exhort people to "get out your checkbooks and practice writing (new year)."

xoxoxoBruce · 01-23-2005, 08:08 PM

Johnny was a friend of mine, we'd hang out together almost every night.
I was never jeaous that he had millions of other friends....simultaneously.
Because when he cracked a joke he was talking directly to me.
When he gave a sly wink or mugged a funny face, it was at/for me.
When he had someone on the couch, he asked them what I wanted to know because I wanted to know.
I've missed him and thought of him often, for a dozen years, but I'd hoped he'd come back and light up the night. Now I know the night will remain dark....forever.

Radar · 01-23-2005, 09:04 PM

My favorite bit was when he'd do "Carnac The Magnificent" (the psychic in a turban) and grab an envelope from a stack on his desk. He'd hold the envelope to his head and say something like, "Siss Boom Bah...", then Ed McMahon would repeat what he had said. "Siss Boom Bah sir...". Then Johnny would open the envelope and say, "What is the sound of an exploding sheep?"

Beestie · 01-23-2005, 09:45 PM

Anybody remember what he said to Raquel Welch when she brought her cat on the show?

Radar · 01-23-2005, 09:51 PM

Was that the one when she asked if he'd like to pet her pussy?

wolf · 01-23-2005, 09:51 PM

It was Zsa-Zsa Gabor, and apparently he didn't.

Troubleshooter · 01-23-2005, 09:57 PM

It was Jane Fonda.

garnet · 01-23-2005, 10:25 PM

Growing up Johnny Carson was the late-night "king" in our household! Mom was always up late doing stuff around the house, and sometimes I would sneak out of bed to watch Mr. Carson with her (she would always let me stay up, at least for a few minutes...). He was the best, and my mom was his biggest fan. How sad that he passed away on January 23--my mom's birthday.

OnyxCougar · 01-24-2005, 09:55 AM

One of the highlights of my childhood was spending a week or two with my grandmother during the summer or one of the weeks of Christmas Break. After a full day of playing outside and a long hot bath, Granny would get us both a little ice cream and I'd be allowed to stay up and watch Johnny in her one room "servant's quarters" living space. Laying in the roll out couch, eating my ice cream, and watching Johnny, but better, watching Johnny make my Granny laugh.

We'll miss you, Johnny. May you rest in comfort, peace and love.

01-23-2005, 02:07 PM	#1
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Johnny Carson: 1925-2005 A trailblazer...and there weren't many comedians that were better than him. Rest in peace... Story (Go ahead, Ep...work your magic. ) Last edited by elSicomoro; 01-23-2005 at 02:15 PM.

01-23-2005, 02:15 PM	#2
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	You beat me to posting this. It's a very sad day. He was by far the best host of the show. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

01-23-2005, 03:48 PM	#3
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	Another great one lost. Thanks for all of the laughs Mr. Carson. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

01-23-2005, 04:04 PM	#4
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	*He was The* King of Talk** I'm actually old enough to remember late night television before Johnny Carson. Flickers of Jack Paar bounce around inside my head now and again, and by the time Steve Allen came along with his more slapstick, Everyman form of show, I was hooked...at all of eight years old. When the new guy came along, I was sad to see my buddy "Steve Rat", leave the show (I called him Steve Rat because "rat" was just about as bad a thing as you could call people on TV back then...no one ever said "ass" or "dick" or any of the other things that fly freely across today's airwaves). Who was this Carson guy, anyway? I didn't know it, and probably my late-night loving parents didn't either, but the plucky Nebraska kid was destined to become the standard by which all late night - or rather, all television talk shows - would be judged. With a standup comedian's style, a vaudevillian's facial expressions, and a personality that often reminded me of Jack Benny, Johnny Carson brought to the relatively young talk show format a perfectly tailored style, a quick wit and a sense of inclusion of the viewer that no one had ever before been able to muster. Watching Johnny do his show was always a bit like being let in on something. When he chatted with guests, it seemed to me as though I was being allowed to listen in at a party, rather than viewing something from an audience. The opening comedic monologue, now a staple no talk show would ever do without, was brought to the fore by Johnny Carson. A brilliant gag writer, Carson would regale his audience with topical humor about politics, famous persons, national events and his own observations on life, and leave you laughing in the aisles every time. I was fortunate enough, as a boy of 13, to see Johnny Carson do his stand up act in Las Vegas. For 50 minutes, he had my youthful funnybone screaming for mercy. I literally cried with laughter as Johnny spun tales of his country youth, the crazy world of show business, and just about anything else you might imagine. After the show, my father and I went to coffee shop of the hotel for dessert, and there, two booths over, sat Johnny, Doc Severinsen and their wives (Doc had opened the show for Johnny in Vegas, as on TV, with his amazing trumpet playing and incredible band). It was as close as I've ever come to running over to someone famous and making a fool of myself by gushing all over them. Even then, he was The Man, the kingpin, the maker and breaker of careers. It is probably difficult to overstate the importance of being a performer and being seen on The Tonight Show when it was in its heyday. Getting asked to appear was a sign you'd arrived in the world of entertainment; for young comedians, being invited to sit on the couch next to Johnny after your "Five" was like being blessed by the Pope himself. And Johnny made the careers of many of the world's top comedians by dint of their appearances alongside him, including the career of his successor, Jay Leno. News reports in recent days related that Johnny had been sending jokes to David Letterman in the years since retiring from the Tonight Show. It seems that Letterman was Johnny's choice to take over The Tonight Show. Carson's still-fertile comic mind couldn't pick up a newspaper without thinking of four or five good jokes about what he'd read, so he sent them along to Dave by way of being supportive of the guy who he saw as still being closest to the format which he himself had originated. Sadly, on the heels of this story, comes today's news that Johnny Carson has passed, a victim of emphysema at age 79. Immortality is a dicey proposition at best. Sometimes a person is made memorable by dint of being an ass. Sometimes we have them ingrained in our minds because they are generous, or pious, or attractive. Johnny is an immortal, because no one, no one, can ever hope to do what he did better than he did it. In a field with many contenders, Carson is the 500 pound gorilla, the acme of what a talk show host can and should be. No matter how many talk show hosts come and go, no matter how funny, endearing, controversial, marriage-prone, wealthy, eccentric or well-dressed they are, they can only aspire to be what Johnny Carson was to the average American television viewer. He was the man in our living rooms - nay, our bedrooms - smiling at us, talking to us, making us laugh our asses off. He was the guy who had a small furry mammal jump on his head and pee, he was the turbaned Karnak, blowing open envelopes to read the question to the answer he had just intuited, and making us howl with the result. He was the guy who could insult Ed McMahon about being a drunk and never make us feel like he'd hurt anyone's feelings. He made the style and color of Doc's shirts a running joke, he 'koochie-koochied' alongside Charo, did the soft shoe with the Rat Pack, and when he went home, he looked up at the stars through his Celestron 14 telescope and dreamed of other worlds. Johnny Carson was a singular human being, an icon, a deserved legend...the retired, reigning, undefeated, untied King of Late Night. God save the King. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog Last edited by Elspode; 01-23-2005 at 04:20 PM.

01-23-2005, 05:00 PM	#5
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	__________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

01-23-2005, 05:12 PM	#6
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	That's what I'm talking about, Ep...nice work!

01-23-2005, 05:19 PM	#7
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Beautifully said, Elspode. I have a lot of Johnny memories ... some of them actually mine (i.e., I saw them on the show), some of them the result of numerous restrospective shows. I hope that at some point this week I get to see some of these moments again, especially Hatchet Throwing, and the Dragnet gag ... Claude Cooper from Cleveland copped the Clean Copper Clappers 'cause he's a kleptopmaniac. Brilliant delivery, on both Johnny's part, and Jack Webb's. It's because of Johnny that every year I exhort people to "get out your checkbooks and practice writing (new year)." __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

01-23-2005, 08:08 PM	#8
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Johnny was a friend of mine, we'd hang out together almost every night. I was never jeaous that he had millions of other friends....simultaneously. Because when he cracked a joke he was talking directly to me. When he gave a sly wink or mugged a funny face, it was at/for me. When he had someone on the couch, he asked them what I wanted to know because I wanted to know. I've missed him and thought of him often, for a dozen years, but I'd hoped he'd come back and light up the night. Now I know the night will remain dark....forever. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-23-2005, 09:04 PM	#9
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	My favorite bit was when he'd do "Carnac The Magnificent" (the psychic in a turban) and grab an envelope from a stack on his desk. He'd hold the envelope to his head and say something like, "Siss Boom Bah...", then Ed McMahon would repeat what he had said. "Siss Boom Bah sir...". Then Johnny would open the envelope and say, "What is the sound of an exploding sheep?" __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

01-23-2005, 09:45 PM	#10
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	Anybody remember what he said to Raquel Welch when she brought her cat on the show? __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

01-23-2005, 09:51 PM	#11
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Was that the one when she asked if he'd like to pet her pussy? __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

01-23-2005, 09:57 PM	#13
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	It was Jane Fonda. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

01-23-2005, 10:25 PM	#14
garnet ... Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 657	Growing up Johnny Carson was the late-night "king" in our household! Mom was always up late doing stuff around the house, and sometimes I would sneak out of bed to watch Mr. Carson with her (she would always let me stay up, at least for a few minutes...). He was the best, and my mom was his biggest fan. How sad that he passed away on January 23--my mom's birthday.

01-24-2005, 09:55 AM	#15
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	One of the highlights of my childhood was spending a week or two with my grandmother during the summer or one of the weeks of Christmas Break. After a full day of playing outside and a long hot bath, Granny would get us both a little ice cream and I'd be allowed to stay up and watch Johnny in her one room "servant's quarters" living space. Laying in the roll out couch, eating my ice cream, and watching Johnny, but better, watching Johnny make my Granny laugh. We'll miss you, Johnny. May you rest in comfort, peace and love. __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

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