Another way to look at Iraq

Undertoad · 07-02-2004, 09:25 AM

At one point, the struggles in Afghanistan and Iraq were supposed to be the proving ground for Generation X: the battle that showed that we were a serious generation capable of dealing with a serious problem and achieving excellence.

How ya like us now USA

glatt · 07-02-2004, 09:44 AM

Generation X is in the middle management positions at this point. The top leaders responsible for this mess are baby boomers.

Kitsune · 07-02-2004, 10:34 AM

What the hell? Are you trying to manufacture a political generation gap, UT?

07-02-2004, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by glatt
Generation X is in the middle management positions at this point. The top leaders responsible for this mess are baby boomers.

Sure, blame everything on us. We're used to it. We're a big generation and we can take it, but you'll be sorry when we're all gone and you won't have no one to kick around anymore!:p

Cyber Wolf · 07-02-2004, 12:49 PM

Nah, they'll just kick around Gen Y

lookout123 · 07-02-2004, 12:57 PM

every generation is to blame for the problems of the next. only history will tell if the generation left the world a better place or not. it is impossible to tell while we are in the middle of the situation. i think 50 years is a good point to start looking back accurately at the effects of a generation's actions.

Kitsune · 07-02-2004, 01:17 PM

i think 50 years is a good point to start looking back accurately at the effects of a generation's actions.

So, what actions should be we look at fifty years from now concerning this generation and this war? I'm a little confused -- what does this war and generation X have to do with each other?

Happy Monkey · 07-02-2004, 01:20 PM

I think this was the Boomer's second attempt to make up for the failure of Vietnam. Gulf War I wasn't quite epic enough, so they had to try again.

lookout123 · 07-02-2004, 01:20 PM

i was just saying that for all the hoohah (yes, that's a technical term) surrounding this war, we will have to wait about 50 years to see the real net effect on the world.

i wasn't really saying anything about gen x. we didnt' start the war, but we are the ones fighting it. this war will shape our politics and our military's future, just as vietnam did for the baby boomers.

lookout123 · 07-02-2004, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by Happy Monkey
I think this was the Boomer's second attempt to make up for the failure of Vietnam. Gulf War I wasn't quite epic enough, so they had to try again.

did you oppose gulf war I, as well?

Happy Monkey · 07-02-2004, 01:26 PM

I was pretty young. I suppose I primarily considered it to be saber rattling. I didn't support it, or oppose it much.

Kitsune · 07-02-2004, 01:27 PM

You're right, Lookout, I guess we won't know the full implications for years from now. I have to say that despite the polarity and disagreements going on right now, I'm kind of glad to be able to witness these times, as the events of these years are going to radically change an enormous amount of things. It'll make for good stories to tell the grandkids, too.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-02-2004, 06:28 PM

So far a number of them have graduated from gen X to gen ex.

blue · 07-02-2004, 11:31 PM

And two entire nations are now free as a consequence. It'll work out. The leaders were brutal. brutal people...I swear some of you have shorter memories than me.

I don't entirely agree with GWII, I think it was the right war at the wrong time for the wrong reasons. I of course totally agree with pounding the Taliban and Al Quaeda into the sand.

Right or wrong millions of people are now free to bitch about the USA and lead better lives.

richlevy · 07-03-2004, 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by blue
And two entire nations are now free as a consequence. It'll work out. The leaders were brutal. brutal people...I swear some of you have shorter memories than me.

I don't entirely agree with GWII, I think it was the right war at the wrong time for the wrong reasons. I of course totally agree with pounding the Taliban and Al Quaeda into the sand.

Right or wrong millions of people are now free to bitch about the USA and lead better lives.

Well, I sort of agree. The point was that at least in the short term, Iraq is taking away resources which could be spent in REALLY dealing with Afghanistan and possibly preventing genocide in the Sudan.

Rounding up, since the butchers bill is still being tallied, we are talking about almost 1000 US dead and a quarter of a trillion dollars . I'm counting the current and future money the Pentagon has probably been shuffling around to keep down the reported costs. Not to mention the pain, suffering, and resources required to deal with the wounded for at least the next decade.

If I owned a company and an employee, on his own initiative racked up a bill like that, well intentioned or not, I'd boot his sorry ass.

I have always heard a lot of griping about how a few well spent dollars backing the White Russians in the revolution would have prevented the trillions spent in the Cold War. The difference being Russia was a large country with tremendous resources and a large, effective military.

Iraq was a caged beast which the world would have cheerfully shot down had it tried to escape. Short of secretly acquiring nuclear capability and long range missiles, the best he could hope for would be a random act of terror which he could not take credit for.

250,000,000,000 dollars is a lot to pay out for one man.

07-02-2004, 09:25 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Another way to look at Iraq At one point, the struggles in Afghanistan and Iraq were supposed to be the proving ground for Generation X: the battle that showed that we were a serious generation capable of dealing with a serious problem and achieving excellence. How ya like us now USA

07-02-2004, 12:49 PM	#5
Cyber Wolf As stable as a ring of PU-239 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: On a huge rock covered in water, highly advanced moss and 7 billion parasites Posts: 1,264	Nah, they'll just kick around Gen Y __________________ "I don't see what's so triffic about creating people as people and then getting' upset 'cos they act like people." ~Adam Young, Good Omens "I don't see why it matters what is written. Not when it's about people. It can always be crossed out." ~Adam Young, Good Omens

07-02-2004, 12:57 PM	#6
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	every generation is to blame for the problems of the next. only history will tell if the generation left the world a better place or not. it is impossible to tell while we are in the middle of the situation. i think 50 years is a good point to start looking back accurately at the effects of a generation's actions. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

07-02-2004, 01:20 PM	#8
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I think this was the Boomer's second attempt to make up for the failure of Vietnam. Gulf War I wasn't quite epic enough, so they had to try again. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

07-02-2004, 01:20 PM	#9
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	i was just saying that for all the hoohah (yes, that's a technical term) surrounding this war, we will have to wait about 50 years to see the real net effect on the world. i wasn't really saying anything about gen x. we didnt' start the war, but we are the ones fighting it. this war will shape our politics and our military's future, just as vietnam did for the baby boomers. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

07-02-2004, 09:44 AM	#2
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Generation X is in the middle management positions at this point. The top leaders responsible for this mess are baby boomers.

07-02-2004, 10:34 AM	#3
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	What the hell? Are you trying to manufacture a political generation gap, UT?

07-02-2004, 01:17 PM	#7
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	i think 50 years is a good point to start looking back accurately at the effects of a generation's actions. So, what actions should be we look at fifty years from now concerning this generation and this war? I'm a little confused -- what does this war and generation X have to do with each other?

07-02-2004, 01:26 PM	#11
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I was pretty young. I suppose I primarily considered it to be saber rattling. I didn't support it, or oppose it much. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

07-02-2004, 01:27 PM	#12
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	You're right, Lookout, I guess we won't know the full implications for years from now. I have to say that despite the polarity and disagreements going on right now, I'm kind of glad to be able to witness these times, as the events of these years are going to radically change an enormous amount of things. It'll make for good stories to tell the grandkids, too.

07-02-2004, 06:28 PM	#13
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	So far a number of them have graduated from gen X to gen ex. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-02-2004, 11:31 PM	#14
blue Operations Operative Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Northern WI Posts: 739	And two entire nations are now free as a consequence. It'll work out. The leaders were brutal. brutal people...I swear some of you have shorter memories than me. I don't entirely agree with GWII, I think it was the right war at the wrong time for the wrong reasons. I of course totally agree with pounding the Taliban and Al Quaeda into the sand. Right or wrong millions of people are now free to bitch about the USA and lead better lives. __________________ If you spot a tornado, always remember to point at it, yell "tornado!", and run like hell.

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