Responding to Catastrophe

Griff · 03-12-2011, 11:46 AM

Looking at Japan right now, I'm wondering how America would respond to a similar disaster. We came together after 9/11 but a lot of us believe that coming together was hijacked for a different agenda. We had a serious financial crisis which, arguably, was not dealt with seriously and now a government debt crisis is turning into another left / right opposition to reality festival. Would we have the stones to survive a natural disaster of the scale that Japan is dealing with? We're probably better at dealing with immediate disasters, but I'm having my doubts about America's vision.

footfootfoot · 03-12-2011, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff

Looking at Japan right now, I'm wondering how America would respond to a similar disaster. We came together after 9/11 but a lot of us believe that coming together was hijacked for a different agenda. We had a serious financial crisis which, arguably, was not dealt with seriously and now a government debt crisis is turning into another left / right opposition to reality festival. Would we have the stones to survive a natural disaster of the scale that Japan is dealing with? We're probably better at dealing with immediate disasters, but I'm having my doubts about America's vision.

At the risk of sounding highly cynical...
We would provided there was money to be made by doing it. I'm sure Bechtel and Halliburton, et al would be all too happy tp pitch in if the price were right. Otherwise it's gonna be school bake sales and church rummage sales.

skysidhe · 03-12-2011, 12:41 PM

I am remembering hurricane Katrina. So nope, I don't think we have the stones.

tw · 03-12-2011, 09:33 PM

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I am remembering hurricane Katrina. So nope, I don't think we have the stones.

We had another disaster on a Katrina scale. The upper Mississippi floods were massive. And since government bureaucrats were technical people - not political friends - then massive floods across many states is hardly remembered. Remember when the river in St Louis rose 50 feet? Most don't because management was competent. How many forget events that were not news because top management did their job?

Katrina is an example of "management of the most incompetent type".

That was a magnitude 9 earthquake. Virtually all buildings survived due to planning like an engineer. We know a serious earthquake is overdue in the Arkansas, Memphis, Missouri region where buildings are not constructed to withstand earthquakes. Planning by bean counters. Where drills and region wide disaster organizations do not exist. And where someone was so stupid as to put disaster solution organizations into Fatherland security.

Wacko extremist fears are far more important than disaster prep. We have yet to know what that reorganization did. See how bad it can be when one actually prepares? Then only thousands die.

Imagine millions waiting like victims in the Convention center and Superdome for almost a week because the powers said everything was under control. As also happened for almost a week in FL after Andrew. When the powers that be even turned back numerous WalMart trucks carrying drinking water outside of New Orleans because it was not necessary.

That New Madrid region is a disaster just waiting to happen. No problem. We spent the money to save the world from a Saddam who threatened no one. And another $1.4(?) billion annually in military aid to Israel.

skysidhe · 03-13-2011, 01:05 AM

The rivers rose for other states too.I remember.

ZenGum · 03-13-2011, 03:09 AM

I remember a philosophy seminar a-wayy back, where folks were arguing that the degree of cooperation during a disaster was a good measure of the social health of a community. There are many, many factors, though.

Japan has many advantages in this respect. They have a culture that has grown up with regular disasters, and have a tradition to live up to. They have a strong sense of belonging to their community. They are also influenced by their geography to make small communities in whatever little patches can be built upon. Even in the cities, it was traditionally organised by more-or-less self-contained neighbourhoods.

In Australia, there is usually a *little* looting after a disater, but much more community helping. In the US, I'll hazard the guess that there would be a bit more looting, but still quite a lot of helping. I guess the larger population and greater emphasis on individualism are factors.

I'll shut up now before I provoke too many of you trigger happy gun-totin' Yanks.

footfootfoot · 03-13-2011, 10:56 AM

Fat boy on a diet don't try it / I'll jack your ass like a looter in a riot / My shits fat like a sumo slammin' dat ass / Leavin' your face in the grass

richlevy · 03-13-2011, 11:37 AM

Just had some small financial good news last week. Marci and I talked last night and plan to give a piece of it ($100) to the International Red Cross.

Of course this means my Cellar.org check will be late this year.

skysidhe · 03-13-2011, 02:17 PM

All along the entire west coast emergency preparedness measures were evident. Towns were evacuated and people were taken care of.

It didn't come to anything catastrophic but I was glad the authorities weren't taking any chances.

tw · 03-14-2011, 02:21 AM

Johnstown's Flood in 1889 was one of America's greatest disasters. Japan has had about 100 Johnstown's all at once.

And then multiple Three Mile Islands - simultaneously. Already, Japan has had two reactors fail worse than anything in Three Mile Island. And maybe a third is now going down.

11 September is trivial compared to this. Did anyone remember a potential massacre that may soon happen in Libya? A few hundred thousand here. A few hundred thousand there. After a while, its just numbers. No wonder so many are so interested in Charlie Sheen.

tw · 03-14-2011, 02:33 AM

You want to read this...

Maybe even worse to come.

sexobon · 03-14-2011, 03:12 AM

News reports said that Charlie Sheen was watching what was unfolding in Japan on television when the police showed up at his home the other day to search for weapons. Maybe people were empathizing through Charlie until the cops interfered.

Don't the people living near reactors have their own hazmat protective gear?

GunMaster357 · 03-14-2011, 04:29 AM

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A few hundred thousand here. A few hundred thousand there. After a while, its just numbers.

"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic." - Stalin

SamIam · 03-14-2011, 05:32 PM

The US is too polarized to come together in the face of tragedy. The people who lived a safe way from the disaster would just argue with each other while the people at the epi-center died. Gunmaster's quote is right on, unfortunately.

tw · 03-14-2011, 08:59 PM

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Don't the people living near reactors have their own hazmat protective gear?

Running shoes.

03-12-2011, 11:46 AM	#1
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Responding to Catastrophe Looking at Japan right now, I'm wondering how America would respond to a similar disaster. We came together after 9/11 but a lot of us believe that coming together was hijacked for a different agenda. We had a serious financial crisis which, arguably, was not dealt with seriously and now a government debt crisis is turning into another left / right opposition to reality festival. Would we have the stones to survive a natural disaster of the scale that Japan is dealing with? We're probably better at dealing with immediate disasters, but I'm having my doubts about America's vision. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

03-13-2011, 03:09 AM	#6
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	I remember a philosophy seminar a-wayy back, where folks were arguing that the degree of cooperation during a disaster was a good measure of the social health of a community. There are many, many factors, though. Japan has many advantages in this respect. They have a culture that has grown up with regular disasters, and have a tradition to live up to. They have a strong sense of belonging to their community. They are also influenced by their geography to make small communities in whatever little patches can be built upon. Even in the cities, it was traditionally organised by more-or-less self-contained neighbourhoods. In Australia, there is usually a little looting after a disater, but much more community helping. In the US, I'll hazard the guess that there would be a bit more looting, but still quite a lot of helping. I guess the larger population and greater emphasis on individualism are factors. I'll shut up now before I provoke too many of you trigger happy gun-totin' Yanks. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

03-13-2011, 10:56 AM	#7
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03-13-2011, 11:37 AM	#8
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	Just had some small financial good news last week. Marci and I talked last night and plan to give a piece of it ($100) to the International Red Cross. Of course this means my Cellar.org check will be late this year. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

03-12-2011, 12:41 PM	#3
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	I am remembering hurricane Katrina. So nope, I don't think we have the stones.

03-13-2011, 01:05 AM	#5
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	The rivers rose for other states too.I remember.

03-13-2011, 02:17 PM	#9
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	All along the entire west coast emergency preparedness measures were evident. Towns were evacuated and people were taken care of. It didn't come to anything catastrophic but I was glad the authorities weren't taking any chances.

03-14-2011, 02:21 AM	#10
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Johnstown's Flood in 1889 was one of America's greatest disasters. Japan has had about 100 Johnstown's all at once. And then multiple Three Mile Islands - simultaneously. Already, Japan has had two reactors fail worse than anything in Three Mile Island. And maybe a third is now going down. 11 September is trivial compared to this. Did anyone remember a potential massacre that may soon happen in Libya? A few hundred thousand here. A few hundred thousand there. After a while, its just numbers. No wonder so many are so interested in Charlie Sheen.

03-14-2011, 02:33 AM	#11
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	You want to read this... Maybe even worse to come.

03-14-2011, 03:12 AM	#12
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	News reports said that Charlie Sheen was watching what was unfolding in Japan on television when the police showed up at his home the other day to search for weapons. Maybe people were empathizing through Charlie until the cops interfered. Don't the people living near reactors have their own hazmat protective gear?

03-14-2011, 05:32 PM	#14
SamIam Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Not here Posts: 2,655	The US is too polarized to come together in the face of tragedy. The people who lived a safe way from the disaster would just argue with each other while the people at the epi-center died. Gunmaster's quote is right on, unfortunately.

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