Ammonia in Ground Beef

Pete Zicato · 01-08-2010, 04:54 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/31/us/31meat.html?_r=1

xoxoxoBruce · 01-09-2010, 02:49 AM

I can see this Zicato character is going to be a trouble maker. he's already casting aspersions on the US ammonia industry.

Griff · 01-09-2010, 07:09 AM

Yeah Pete, if that is your real name, what could possibly be wrong with:

The company, Beef Products Inc., had been looking to expand into the hamburger business with a product made from beef that included fatty trimmings the industry once relegated to pet food and cooking oil. The trimmings were particularly susceptible to contamination, but a study commissioned by the company showed that the ammonia process would kill E. coli as well as salmonella.

Do these guys work directly for Al Queda or are they just a subsidiary?

SamIam · 01-09-2010, 07:50 AM

Ick! I'll never eat a burger again - at least until I forget this unappetizing tidbit of information.

squirell nutkin · 01-09-2010, 09:10 AM

They have a very extensive discussion of that process, along with video, in Food, Inc.

Which after seeing, you will not want to eat pretty much anything you didn't personally grow or raise, much less store-bought ground beef. That is unless you are really good about thinking about something else while you eat.

Undertoad · 01-09-2010, 01:55 PM

Quote:

I'll never eat a burger again

Ground beef in cello from supermarkets is generally ground on the premises. Every other burger, including from mid-level chain restaurants, should no longer be considered edible.

skysidhe · 01-10-2010, 07:11 AM

From BPI's own website.

11. We are all told to be more "green." I want my food to be "natural." Is this just another chemical in my food?

Ammonia and ammonium hydroxide are naturally occurring in all proteins. Ammonia is essential for life and we have included information about its uses and benefits for you.

Essential for life! That's their sales pitch!?

Question and answer #3 has a whole pdf attached to why ammonia is essential for life.
http://www.beefproducts.com/governme...ialForLife.pdf

No question and answer on why we need to eat the trimmings usually put in pet food.

That said, we ate McDonald's yesterday. We only eat fast food one every couple of months or so and I must say my garbage burger was delicious.

I didn't read this article until this morning. I feel no barf reflex or remembrance of any terrible taste. Good thing the big mac is dripping in dressing and cheese which is probably fake too.

Usually I buy lean ground beef from the grocery store. I am glad it is ground on the premises other wise I might stop eating ground beef all together.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-10-2010, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skysidhe

That said, we ate McDonald's yesterday. We only eat fast food one every couple of months or so and I must say my garbage burger was delicious.

Beef is for chewing and nutrition... fat and salt, for taste.

squirell nutkin · 01-10-2010, 04:10 PM

What do you call a steer with no legs?

Ground beef!

haahahahahah

I'll be here all week folks, try the, umm, ahh hmmm...

Elspode · 01-10-2010, 04:21 PM

So, now that we're eating what we formerly fed our pets, what the hell are our pets eating?

skysidhe · 01-10-2010, 06:06 PM

Corn gluten, wheat gluten, chicken necks, feet, cow horns?

Juniper · 01-10-2010, 08:09 PM

I've noticed that the ground beef in the plastic "chub" at Kroger smells faintly ammonia-ish. Actually I don't like any meat from Kroger anyway; I usually get it at IGA or a couple other local grocery stores with better stuff.

I've been planning to get a side of beef and some free-range poultry for the freezer, just have to clean out my garage so I can get to the freezer first! Planning to get it from a local farm, discovered through this site: http://www.eatwild.com/

If I absolutely must eat at McD's or etc., I usually get a salad or baked potato. Can't stand fast food burgers.

Pico and ME · 01-10-2010, 08:36 PM

Thanks for posting that site Juniper! I found a source in my town. When I checked a few years ago the closest I could find was an hours drive away.

spudcon · 01-10-2010, 10:47 PM

"The federal school lunch program used an estimated 5.5 million pounds of the processed beef last year alone...Since 2005, E. coli has been found 3 times." From the Times story. I wonder what the track record is for free range beef.

Clodfobble · 01-11-2010, 07:59 AM

"Also, in the last year alone, ammonia has been found an estimated 5.5 million times."

01-08-2010, 04:54 PM	#1
Pete Zicato Turns out my CRS is a symptom of TMB. Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 2,916	Ammonia in Ground Beef http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/31/us/31meat.html?_r=1 __________________ Talk nerdy to me.

01-09-2010, 02:49 AM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I can see this Zicato character is going to be a trouble maker. he's already casting aspersions on the US ammonia industry. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-09-2010, 09:10 AM	#5
squirell nutkin has a second hand user title Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: in a Nut House Posts: 2,017	They have a very extensive discussion of that process, along with video, in Food, Inc. Which after seeing, you will not want to eat pretty much anything you didn't personally grow or raise, much less store-bought ground beef. That is unless you are really good about thinking about something else while you eat. __________________ And now I'm finished posting.

01-10-2010, 04:10 PM	#9
squirell nutkin has a second hand user title Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: in a Nut House Posts: 2,017	What do you call a steer with no legs? Ground beef! haahahahahah I'll be here all week folks, try the, umm, ahh hmmm... __________________ And now I'm finished posting.

01-10-2010, 04:21 PM	#10
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	So, now that we're eating what we formerly fed our pets, what the hell are our pets eating? __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

01-09-2010, 07:09 AM	#3
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Yeah Pete, if that is your real name, what could possibly be wrong with: The company, Beef Products Inc., had been looking to expand into the hamburger business with a product made from beef that included fatty trimmings the industry once relegated to pet food and cooking oil. The trimmings were particularly susceptible to contamination, but a study commissioned by the company showed that the ammonia process would kill E. coli as well as salmonella. Do these guys work directly for Al Queda or are they just a subsidiary? __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

01-09-2010, 07:50 AM	#4
SamIam Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Not here Posts: 2,655	Ick! I'll never eat a burger again - at least until I forget this unappetizing tidbit of information.

01-10-2010, 07:11 AM	#7
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	From BPI's own website. 11. We are all told to be more "green." I want my food to be "natural." Is this just another chemical in my food? Ammonia and ammonium hydroxide are naturally occurring in all proteins. Ammonia is essential for life and we have included information about its uses and benefits for you. Essential for life! That's their sales pitch!? Question and answer #3 has a whole pdf attached to why ammonia is essential for life. http://www.beefproducts.com/governme...ialForLife.pdf No question and answer on why we need to eat the trimmings usually put in pet food. That said, we ate McDonald's yesterday. We only eat fast food one every couple of months or so and I must say my garbage burger was delicious. I didn't read this article until this morning. I feel no barf reflex or remembrance of any terrible taste. Good thing the big mac is dripping in dressing and cheese which is probably fake too. Usually I buy lean ground beef from the grocery store. I am glad it is ground on the premises other wise I might stop eating ground beef all together.

01-10-2010, 06:06 PM	#11
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	Corn gluten, wheat gluten, chicken necks, feet, cow horns?

01-10-2010, 08:09 PM	#12
Juniper I know, right? Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,539	I've noticed that the ground beef in the plastic "chub" at Kroger smells faintly ammonia-ish. Actually I don't like any meat from Kroger anyway; I usually get it at IGA or a couple other local grocery stores with better stuff. I've been planning to get a side of beef and some free-range poultry for the freezer, just have to clean out my garage so I can get to the freezer first! Planning to get it from a local farm, discovered through this site: http://www.eatwild.com/ If I absolutely must eat at McD's or etc., I usually get a salad or baked potato. Can't stand fast food burgers.

01-10-2010, 08:36 PM	#13
Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	Thanks for posting that site Juniper! I found a source in my town. When I checked a few years ago the closest I could find was an hours drive away.

01-10-2010, 10:47 PM	#14
spudcon Beware of potatoes Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY, USA Posts: 2,078	"The federal school lunch program used an estimated 5.5 million pounds of the processed beef last year alone...Since 2005, E. coli has been found 3 times." From the Times story. I wonder what the track record is for free range beef. __________________ "I believe that being despised by the despicable is as good as being admired by the admirable."

01-11-2010, 07:59 AM	#15
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	"Also, in the last year alone, ammonia has been found an estimated 5.5 million times." __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

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