Have fun with this one!

Nothing But Net · 04-25-2002, 01:50 AM

Undertoad · 04-25-2002, 02:06 PM

Damn, NBN, you keep hitting me when I have no time.

Nothing But Net · 05-01-2002, 12:00 AM

Ike_is_my_Cat · 05-23-2002, 03:16 PM

Some things are just not good.

SteveDallas · 05-24-2002, 10:45 AM

OK. You people have tempted me. I've got the demo version of Photoshop Elements. Now I have to figure out how to use it. (BTW Adobe is currently offering a $30 rebate on Elements if you buy it and a digital camera between December 2001 and July 2002.) My first project is to take a shot of my dark red minivan and make it purple. No luck so far, but I'm just getting the hang of selecting stuff.

Undertoad · 05-24-2002, 11:19 AM

I'm interested to know how Photoshop Elements compares up to regular ol' Photoshop. Due to Fark and Worth1K and this section and similar stuff, people are out there buying the $599 version of Photoshop. Paying full price...!

This is an outrage because most people don't need all that power just to do "photoshops", and so they shouldn't have to pay so much.

Ike_is_my_Cat · 05-24-2002, 11:30 AM

If you want to make a huge color shift like red to purple and you want it to look natural, there is a better, cheaper option to photoshop.
Elements has everything you need to do cloning and all that traditional fun stuff; however, a program out there called Asiva Photo can do the massive color shift in a matter of seconds and have it look completely natural. Check out the user forums for test images... I'm the moderator out there, Kevin_at_Garts. It's really good stuff.

05-24-2002, 11:55 AM

Wow, only $378.

I have a mac (two, actually), and they run MacOS X... and I'm interested in doing photo manipulation... I'm about to buy a graphics tablet (Wacom Intuos2 12x12) so I can do this without stinking up the whole place... but $378 seems a bit much. That's probably great for the professional guy that does image editing for cash, but for us poor homeboys that just want to fuck around, that's a bit much.

I think companies should have tiered licensing of their software. For example, as a normal human being, for personal use, that Asiva Photo should probably cost $50. I would buy that without blinking, because it would be worth it to me. And it would be worth it to Asiva, too. If I'm comfortable with their software, I'm more likely to use it. And the only way I'm going to get comfortable with it is if I use it. If I go on to do some professional work, I would be required to purchase an upgrade to the professional version, which would be $378 and would have no extra functionality. It would be all about how I use it. That way, when I actually do some professional jobs, I'll go "man, I can't get this done without Asiva".

Photoshop should be the same way. That's why they don't crack down on the little pirates too bad - it's in their best interest to have all these people know Photoshop, because when they get into the job market, they are going to demand Adobe products, and the companies are going to shell out $600 for the full version. Which is fine - that's how it should be. But I'd be much more likely to purchase it outright if there were a non-crippled $50 version for personal use.

As it is, we own Photoshop from wayyyyyyy back and I'm just going to buy an upgrade version. Wish I had the same option with Asiva, 'cause it definitely looks like a nice program... but I'll probably never really know because of bogus pricing schemes on the part of software publishers.

SteveDallas · 05-24-2002, 12:00 PM

Thanks, Ike, I will check it out.

Tony, I'm actually paying $45 (+ shipping) for Photoshop Elements... academic discounts are wonderful!

I would love to see a feature-by-feature comparision of Elements and the "full" Photoshop.. I found a couple that compare Elements to a competing non-Adobe product, but none that compare it to Photoshop.

SteveDallas · 05-25-2002, 02:17 PM

And I found one, sort of... I checked out "Adobe Photoshop Elements" by Philip Andrews from the library. I haven't been through the whole, but so far looks very helpful. (It's in color, which helps. Who wants a book on photo editing with nothing but grayscale images?)

Anyway, the last chapter talks about some features Photoshop has that Elements does not:

CMYK color separation for offset printing
Bundled with Adobe ImageReady (make rollover buttons and image maps)
Color management controls
Record a series of actions
Save a selection as part of the file & use it later (you can somewhat work around this in elements by cutting your selection into a new layer)
Pen (allows path drawing .. sounds like the magnetic lasso, but more sophisticated)
Masking (block part of picture from having something applied to it.. again I think you could kludge around this with layers)
Curves (fine control of shadows & highlights)
Individual balance adjustment of color channels

I would like to have the pen--what I've discovered so far is that the most time-consuming, tricky part is selecting an irregular area with a good degree of accuracy, and any tool that can help that would be welcome. Everything else, I think they're accurate when they say it's only something a serious professional would need.

Now I need to figure out how to attach heads to bodies and I'll really be in business!!!

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05-23-2002, 03:16 PM	#4
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05-24-2002, 10:45 AM	#5
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	OK. You people have tempted me. I've got the demo version of Photoshop Elements. Now I have to figure out how to use it. (BTW Adobe is currently offering a $30 rebate on Elements if you buy it and a digital camera between December 2001 and July 2002.) My first project is to take a shot of my dark red minivan and make it purple. No luck so far, but I'm just getting the hang of selecting stuff.

05-24-2002, 11:19 AM	#6
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I'm interested to know how Photoshop Elements compares up to regular ol' Photoshop. Due to Fark and Worth1K and this section and similar stuff, people are out there buying the $599 version of Photoshop. Paying full price...! This is an outrage because most people don't need all that power just to do "photoshops", and so they shouldn't have to pay so much.

05-24-2002, 11:30 AM	#7
Ike_is_my_Cat Kicking Names and Taking Ass. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Memphis Posts: 94	If you want to make a huge color shift like red to purple and you want it to look natural, there is a better, cheaper option to photoshop. Elements has everything you need to do cloning and all that traditional fun stuff; however, a program out there called Asiva Photo can do the massive color shift in a matter of seconds and have it look completely natural. Check out the user forums for test images... I'm the moderator out there, Kevin_at_Garts. It's really good stuff.

05-24-2002, 11:55 AM	#8
dave Guest Posts: n/a	Wow, only $378. I have a mac (two, actually), and they run MacOS X... and I'm interested in doing photo manipulation... I'm about to buy a graphics tablet (Wacom Intuos2 12x12) so I can do this without stinking up the whole place... but $378 seems a bit much. That's probably great for the professional guy that does image editing for cash, but for us poor homeboys that just want to fuck around, that's a bit much. I think companies should have tiered licensing of their software. For example, as a normal human being, for personal use, that Asiva Photo should probably cost $50. I would buy that without blinking, because it would be worth it to me. And it would be worth it to Asiva, too. If I'm comfortable with their software, I'm more likely to use it. And the only way I'm going to get comfortable with it is if I use it. If I go on to do some professional work, I would be required to purchase an upgrade to the professional version, which would be $378 and would have no extra functionality. It would be all about how I use it. That way, when I actually do some professional jobs, I'll go "man, I can't get this done without Asiva". Photoshop should be the same way. That's why they don't crack down on the little pirates too bad - it's in their best interest to have all these people know Photoshop, because when they get into the job market, they are going to demand Adobe products, and the companies are going to shell out $600 for the full version. Which is fine - that's how it should be. But I'd be much more likely to purchase it outright if there were a non-crippled $50 version for personal use. As it is, we own Photoshop from wayyyyyyy back and I'm just going to buy an upgrade version. Wish I had the same option with Asiva, 'cause it definitely looks like a nice program... but I'll probably never really know because of bogus pricing schemes on the part of software publishers.

05-24-2002, 12:00 PM	#9
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	Thanks, Ike, I will check it out. Tony, I'm actually paying $45 (+ shipping) for Photoshop Elements... academic discounts are wonderful! I would love to see a feature-by-feature comparision of Elements and the "full" Photoshop.. I found a couple that compare Elements to a competing non-Adobe product, but none that compare it to Photoshop.

05-25-2002, 02:17 PM	#10
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	And I found one, sort of... I checked out "Adobe Photoshop Elements" by Philip Andrews from the library. I haven't been through the whole, but so far looks very helpful. (It's in color, which helps. Who wants a book on photo editing with nothing but grayscale images?) Anyway, the last chapter talks about some features Photoshop has that Elements does not: CMYK color separation for offset printing Bundled with Adobe ImageReady (make rollover buttons and image maps) Color management controls Record a series of actions Save a selection as part of the file & use it later (you can somewhat work around this in elements by cutting your selection into a new layer) Pen (allows path drawing .. sounds like the magnetic lasso, but more sophisticated) Masking (block part of picture from having something applied to it.. again I think you could kludge around this with layers) Curves (fine control of shadows & highlights) Individual balance adjustment of color channels I would like to have the pen--what I've discovered so far is that the most time-consuming, tricky part is selecting an irregular area with a good degree of accuracy, and any tool that can help that would be welcome. Everything else, I think they're accurate when they say it's only something a serious professional would need. Now I need to figure out how to attach heads to bodies and I'll really be in business!!!

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