Bush to block/ban all forms of cloning, incl. therapeutic

Xugumad · 04-11-2002, 07:15 PM

"His opinion clashes with that of many in the scientific community, which has broadly backed research using cloning techniques, but Bush said he had moral authority on his side."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...dc_7&printer=1

Reading the story says more than I could.

Most telling is one of the final lines, almost an afterthought...

"Earlier on Wednesday 40 Nobel laureate scientists, including some of the country's leading genetic and cancer researchers, released a letter urging senators to support legislation that would allow therapeutic cloning."

Sometimes the US really, really is that different from Northern Europe.

X.

jaguar · 04-11-2002, 07:54 PM

and in other news, an entire industry left america and australia(similar thing is trying to pass here after one ultraconcervative senator (also staunch catholic) shot down a bipartisan comittee set up to investigate about it) today, heading for counties that aren't goverened by ultraconcervative religious bigots.

russotto · 04-12-2002, 10:58 AM

Cloning bans will move biotech out of the US, the CBDTPA (or whatever actually passes) will send high-tech running... the US is just setting itself up for a brain drain.

tw · 04-12-2002, 07:42 PM

Galileo was also jailed for promoting science over morality. He demonstrated that the sun and planets did not revolve around the earth. Since a Pope was so religious and less intelligent, then laws were based upon morality rather than good science and logic.

A conservative, by definition, fears change. But we know mankind can only survive and grow if we keep changing. Moralists constantly fear innovation. It is why radioactive giant ants attacked Los Angles. Must be possible. I saw it on TV - logic be damned.

elSicomoro · 04-12-2002, 07:59 PM

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Originally posted by russotto
Cloning bans will move biotech out of the US, the CBDTPA (or whatever actually passes) will send high-tech running... the US is just setting itself up for a brain drain.

Hasn't the brain drain started already though? Doesn't the US offer special visas for overseas folks that are in various occupations, like medicine?

Hubris Boy · 04-12-2002, 08:23 PM

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Originally posted by tw
A conservative, by definition, fears change.

What dictionary were you reading?

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Main Entry: conservative
Function: noun
Date: 1831
1 a : an adherent or advocate of political conservatism b capitalized : a member or supporter of a conservative political party
2 a : one who adheres to traditional methods or views b : a cautious or discreet person

I defy you to find a dictionary that defines a conservative as a person who fears change.

jaguar · 04-13-2002, 01:06 AM

YOu could claim that is implied by thier aparant aherance to traditional values which would be threatened by change... But i'm not going to.

russotto · 04-15-2002, 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by sycamore

Hasn't the brain drain started already though? Doesn't the US offer special visas for overseas folks that are in various occupations, like medicine?

That would be inward movement. If Congress and Bush ban a huge area of biotech, it'll be outward movement.

elSicomoro · 04-15-2002, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by russotto
That would be inward movement. If Congress and Bush ban a huge area of biotech, it'll be outward movement.

Sorry Russotto. I was thinking of the general idea of brain drain, rather than relating it to your post. My apologies.

Griff · 04-16-2002, 06:19 AM

A guy I know from Scotland is in the US to do research for a BBC show on a brain drain from the UK to the US. It became impossible for an animal research outfit over there so they moved to the US. I guess they figure Bushs war on terror will control ELF ALF and PETA.

tw · 04-16-2002, 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by Hubris Boy
I defy you to find a dictionary that defines a conservative as a person who fears change.

From your own post:

Quote:

Main Entry: conservative
...
2 a : one who adheres to traditional methods or views

IOW a person who fears change.

Hubris Boy · 04-16-2002, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by tw

IOW a person who fears change.

I'm sorry, I don't see your reasoning... how does fear logically follow adherence?

(edit to nullify stupid, third-party comment):p

Nic Name · 04-16-2002, 11:49 PM

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I'm afraid

04-11-2002, 07:15 PM	#1
Xugumad Punisher of Good Deeds Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 183	Bush to block/ban all forms of cloning, incl. therapeutic "His opinion clashes with that of many in the scientific community, which has broadly backed research using cloning techniques, but Bush said he had moral authority on his side." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...dc_7&printer=1 Reading the story says more than I could. Most telling is one of the final lines, almost an afterthought... "Earlier on Wednesday 40 Nobel laureate scientists, including some of the country's leading genetic and cancer researchers, released a letter urging senators to support legislation that would allow therapeutic cloning." Sometimes the US really, really is that different from Northern Europe. X.

04-11-2002, 07:54 PM	#2
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	and in other news, an entire industry left america and australia(similar thing is trying to pass here after one ultraconcervative senator (also staunch catholic) shot down a bipartisan comittee set up to investigate about it) today, heading for counties that aren't goverened by ultraconcervative religious bigots. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

04-13-2002, 01:06 AM	#7
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	YOu could claim that is implied by thier aparant aherance to traditional values which would be threatened by change... But i'm not going to. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

04-12-2002, 10:58 AM	#3
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	Cloning bans will move biotech out of the US, the CBDTPA (or whatever actually passes) will send high-tech running... the US is just setting itself up for a brain drain.

04-12-2002, 07:42 PM	#4
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Galileo was also jailed for promoting science over morality. He demonstrated that the sun and planets did not revolve around the earth. Since a Pope was so religious and less intelligent, then laws were based upon morality rather than good science and logic. A conservative, by definition, fears change. But we know mankind can only survive and grow if we keep changing. Moralists constantly fear innovation. It is why radioactive giant ants attacked Los Angles. Must be possible. I saw it on TV - logic be damned.

04-16-2002, 06:19 AM	#10
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	A guy I know from Scotland is in the US to do research for a BBC show on a brain drain from the UK to the US. It became impossible for an animal research outfit over there so they moved to the US. I guess they figure Bushs war on terror will control ELF ALF and PETA.

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