Spam? Does Anyone Actually Make Money on It?

Elspode · 05-04-2006, 01:52 PM

"Enlarge your penis with discount Canadian drugs and discount cigarettes at home in your spare time to earn big money and a free Ipod by helping Nigerian bank officers move millions of dollars into penny stocks for Bill Gates' email research project!"

I can't wait to get that one. But I really don't understand why there's so much of it around. Spam. I run *two* spam filters, one at my mail server and one on my email client, and still two or three a day slip through, even after months of filter training. I estimate that I receive about four to five hundred spam emails per week, or about eight times the legitimate email I get.

What I want to know is this: Is someone actually making money off of this crap? Are there any statistics out there that tell us how much is earned by spammers moving their crap "products"?

The vast majority of people I know filter or simply delete spam without so much as a glance. The only benefit to it has been a marked decrease in the amount of junk snail mail I get.

How many people will have to go to prison before this stops...or at least slows down? Will it help if I volunteer to drive them to Leavenworth?

dar512 · 05-04-2006, 02:42 PM

Yeah, I think they do. I don't remember the names, but I've seen articles on slashdot about guys who have gotten rich spamming.

The deal is that there is almost no cost involved to the sender. Once the spam engine is cranking out, you can send out millions almost as cheap as sending one. All it takes is for a small fraction of the recipients to take the bait.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-04-2006, 06:04 PM

Don't they have to pay for the use of the "mailing lists"?

Happy Monkey · 05-04-2006, 06:17 PM

They only have to collect (or buy) each address once.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-05-2006, 07:19 PM

OK, I was under the impression there were people that make a living renting out mailing lists.
Also, any idea how many of the spam senders actually have a product they are selling rather than just being emailmen or advertising agents for others?

Clodfobble · 05-09-2006, 03:51 PM

I remember reading an (anonymous, of course) interview with a spammer. Supposedly, it was a woman who spammed sales of printer cartridges. She specifically said that all it took was one sale per million emails to make a profit.

WabUfvot5 · 05-09-2006, 08:37 PM

A spammer can steal everything they need to get started. Sometimes lists are sold but bots can trawl the web and extract e-mails to solicit (which is why many do user_at_isp.com or moc.psi@resu to obscure their address). Sadly the world is in no short supply of idiots who fall for spam.

nyet · 05-09-2006, 09:54 PM

i wonder if you added up all the time wasted reading spam while at work. how much Money the bosses lose of time wasted by their employeys.

SteveDallas · 05-13-2006, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by nyet

i wonder if you added up all the time wasted reading spam while at work. how much Money the bosses lose of time wasted by their employeys.

I haven't tried to figure that out--I lack all the relevant data--but I can tell you, as the Director of IT for my employer, that we just spent $2500 to purchase a Barracuda spam filter appliance (which I'd highly recommend, by the way.. tho I expect it would be overkill to have one at your house. At least for most people!). Prior to that we were paying a couple hundred a month for an outside service. And those were relatively cheap compared to other options I considered. Figure in how much time I spent researching the options, setting stuff up, etc. Blech. I don't feel like doing the math....

90-95% of mail sent to us is blocked because it's spam or has a virus.

Ibby · 05-20-2006, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveDallas

...we just spent $2500 to purchase a Barracuda spam filter appliance...

And I'll bet you that their company pays for a good deal of spam, just to increase the need for their BIG money-maker.

busterb · 05-23-2006, 08:22 PM

Late, and not really about spam. But true.
I got hit for 4 X $250 in a few minuters last week. Debit card. Then I went to this site http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/reporting.htm which about half the links are broken. The I went here http://www.cybercrime.gov/ and spent some time filling out the form, which told me to enter only numbers for phone numbers. Just how many ways can you type in 8886976537 with out using only numbers. Hey lets leave out hex. Anyway this all sucks like the rest of the feel good BS they dream up. BTW the reason they hit for 250 each time is because no flags go off at 250. Thanks to new banking laws the banking folks wrote. Sorry for the RANT

05-09-2006, 10:03 PM

They eat tons of it in Hawaii.

laebedahs · 05-09-2006, 10:20 PM

As someone explained once, the spam is there because that's where the money is. Believe it or not, there are people out there who regularly by stuff they found out through spam.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-12-2006, 10:54 PM

Those people are the problem, without them spam would disappear.

Beestie · 05-13-2006, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Those people are the problem, without them spam would disappear.

They are also responsible for the proliferation of "Paid Programming" that fills my channel listing after midnight. I think they are all like that lady in Napolean Dynamite who spoke on behalf of many with her concise and to-the-point "I want that."

Speaking of Paid Programming, let's put a list together of pitch people we would like to see... uh... hmmmm... catapulted into deep space:

I'll start:

Billy Mays (some one please put the end of his pigtail in a garbage disposal)
Gunther Renky (the kitchen device guy)
That perfect hair real estate dude
John Basedow (the -2% body fat dude)
The bald guy who sells Orik (sp?) vacuums.

05-04-2006, 01:52 PM	#1
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Spam? Does Anyone Actually Make Money on It? "Enlarge your penis with discount Canadian drugs and discount cigarettes at home in your spare time to earn big money and a free Ipod by helping Nigerian bank officers move millions of dollars into penny stocks for Bill Gates' email research project!" I can't wait to get that one. But I really don't understand why there's so much of it around. Spam. I run two spam filters, one at my mail server and one on my email client, and still two or three a day slip through, even after months of filter training. I estimate that I receive about four to five hundred spam emails per week, or about eight times the legitimate email I get. What I want to know is this: Is someone actually making money off of this crap? Are there any statistics out there that tell us how much is earned by spammers moving their crap "products"? The vast majority of people I know filter or simply delete spam without so much as a glance. The only benefit to it has been a marked decrease in the amount of junk snail mail I get. How many people will have to go to prison before this stops...or at least slows down? Will it help if I volunteer to drive them to Leavenworth? __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

05-04-2006, 02:42 PM	#2
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	Yeah, I think they do. I don't remember the names, but I've seen articles on slashdot about guys who have gotten rich spamming. The deal is that there is almost no cost involved to the sender. Once the spam engine is cranking out, you can send out millions almost as cheap as sending one. All it takes is for a small fraction of the recipients to take the bait. __________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." -- Friedrich Schiller

05-04-2006, 06:04 PM	#3
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Don't they have to pay for the use of the "mailing lists"? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-04-2006, 06:17 PM	#4
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	They only have to collect (or buy) each address once. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

05-05-2006, 07:19 PM	#5
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	OK, I was under the impression there were people that make a living renting out mailing lists. Also, any idea how many of the spam senders actually have a product they are selling rather than just being emailmen or advertising agents for others? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-09-2006, 03:51 PM	#6
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	I remember reading an (anonymous, of course) interview with a spammer. Supposedly, it was a woman who spammed sales of printer cartridges. She specifically said that all it took was one sale per million emails to make a profit.

05-09-2006, 08:37 PM	#7
WabUfvot5 Operations Operative Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 634	A spammer can steal everything they need to get started. Sometimes lists are sold but bots can trawl the web and extract e-mails to solicit (which is why many do user_at_isp.com or moc.psi@resu to obscure their address). Sadly the world is in no short supply of idiots who fall for spam.

05-09-2006, 09:54 PM	#8
nyet Fellow-Commoner Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10	i wonder if you added up all the time wasted reading spam while at work. how much Money the bosses lose of time wasted by their employeys.

05-23-2006, 08:22 PM	#11
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Late, and not really about spam. But true. I got hit for 4 X $250 in a few minuters last week. Debit card. Then I went to this site http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/reporting.htm which about half the links are broken. The I went here http://www.cybercrime.gov/ and spent some time filling out the form, which told me to enter only numbers for phone numbers. Just how many ways can you type in 8886976537 with out using only numbers. Hey lets leave out hex. Anyway this all sucks like the rest of the feel good BS they dream up. BTW the reason they hit for 250 each time is because no flags go off at 250. Thanks to new banking laws the banking folks wrote. Sorry for the RANT __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

05-09-2006, 10:03 PM	#12
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	They eat tons of it in Hawaii.

05-09-2006, 10:20 PM	#13
laebedahs Abecedarian Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 172	As someone explained once, the spam is there because that's where the money is. Believe it or not, there are people out there who regularly by stuff they found out through spam.

05-12-2006, 10:54 PM	#14
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Those people are the problem, without them spam would disappear. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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