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07-06-2010, 09:08 AM | #1 | |
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Do western customs/culture seem as effed up to them as this does to us? How do you really interact with a culture that allows this type of thing to happen?
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07-06-2010, 09:55 AM | #2 |
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You don't interact or negotiate with that kind of culture. They have no soul.
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07-06-2010, 10:55 AM | #3 |
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We have fundis in our culture as well but secular rule of law is pretty well entrenched, we hope. When folks talk about the need to get the government boot off our necks, we need to remember what kind of thinking is always waiting in the wings hoping for a power vacuum. It makes me careful about talk of a second, third, or fourth American revolution.
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07-07-2010, 11:47 AM | #4 |
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I don't think it gets any more concise than the way that spudcon said it.
Granted, this is the most radical form of Islam. That is one reason that we here in the United States should NEVER allow Muslims living in this country to practice shariah law (honor killings and the like).
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07-07-2010, 12:39 PM | #5 |
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DMG there is a big difference between Shariah Law and honour killings.
And yes, many people outside of the US consider that having the death penalty is barbaric. Only 2 countries within the EU still practice capital punishment (Belarus and Latvia - and the latter only for war crimes). Personally I think basing laws on a load of rubbish written thousands of years ago in a book that has been amended and translated and retranslated and translated again and interpreted according to the whims of the ruling classes to be ridiculously outdated. But then I read editorial columns in the right wing press here all the time fulminating that this country is going to the dogs simply because we don't do that any more, so it's still valid to some people. |
07-07-2010, 12:50 PM | #6 |
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Sharia law calls for the stoning to death of adulterers.
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07-07-2010, 01:01 PM | #7 |
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Stoning to death of adulterers is not honour killing.
Honour killings are not part of Sharia law, they are remnants of tribal customs (as is female circumcision) I know that Hadd offences include the death penalty - including such barbaric customs as stoning for adultery - but they are not necessarily imposed by every Islamic country. They are the equivilant of the punishments laid down in Leviticus, which no Christian country (as far as I know) now follows. Or Israel for that matter. Of course I am opposed to the carrying out of Hadd penalties. But then I'm also anti capital and corporal punishment. I am also against any country which is not predominantly Muslim accepting Sharia Law. But if you take out the Hadd penalties (which many countries do) it can actually benefit women in some parts of the world, as the Koran was very progressive regarding women's rights. More progressive than the Bible anyway. As I said, as an atheist I'm not much for following any religious law, but I'm also sensible enough not to accept it tempered with human rights and a fair justice system. But then can any country really stand behind its justice system and say no mistakes are made? |
07-07-2010, 01:38 PM | #8 | |
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They are not honour killings then, they are just killings. Via Wikipedia:
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07-07-2010, 01:43 PM | #9 |
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Precisely.
I'm not a fan of Sharia Law, but at least it requires a trial (even though it doesn't meet Western standards of evidence). Honour killings are simply murder. |
07-07-2010, 01:58 PM | #10 | |
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A "trial" in the most liberal sense imaginable and then the decision is at the sole discretion of the "judge"...
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07-07-2010, 02:05 PM | #11 |
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One groups barbary is another's religion or culture.
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07-07-2010, 02:11 PM | #12 |
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