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Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Dallas, TX
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By now, most of you who have met me or who know me by reputation know that I am actively
into the leather lifestyle and support any organization or group that does not hurt our public image or which works for the greater good of the community. Therefore, I am reposting this letter from a friend in Phila with her permission. There are two more parts to this message which I will post here when I receive them. *** hi gang ![]() i am going to break down all the information i need to share into 3 emails: what happened what we are going to do about it personal comments WHAT HAPPENED on friday night (4/5/02) at approx 30 minutes after midnight we got a visit from L&I, Vice, the narcotics task force, ATF, a petty crimes unit? and other law enforcement officers who refused to identify themselves (between 30 and 40 officials).....an all out guns drawn everyone stop spanking each other raid.....at the time there were about 40 members in the club and only one couple actually engaged in SM activities (happened to be our lawyer)...there were no warrants, they did not ask to enter, they did not identify themselves...they just drew guns and said "we are coming in".....they frisked security who had no time to push the call button and alert us on the inside of the building and were actually ordered not to touch their radios......they were asked why they were here on several occasions during the raid and we were told "we dont have to tell you that"....everyone was told to stay put...the person Topping was told "step away from the woman".....she got dressed....most people were either in the lounge or in the dungeon....the people in the kitchen were sent to the lounge....the people upstairs were kept there....there was a girl with a broken leg (lorie) in the bathroom who was actually roughed up....michael who was upstairs identified himself as part owner and responsible for everything....he was interrogated (this is an accurate description) by L&I officials who were armed....he produced all the legal paperwork....(he also asked where anna and the club lawyer were and they told him we left which was a lie and i believe they were trying to get him to become upset).... a vice officer at the scene who was totally offended they were there and who spoke to a member who happens to be a federal law enforcement agent called it PBS (political bullshit) and said it was from a call from Rep Dwight Evans (local politician) who told them to go in and find something to shut us down with...we have no idea if that is true or not. ...the vice officers also indicated they did not know they were coming to BTS when they were picked up for this raid and couldnt understand why .....the L& I official in charge told me they had no idea what we (the club) were doing there and didnt know anything about us...i told him we have been dealing with you since we opened and have the records to prove it....they were shocked when we produced all our paperwork and notes detailing our conversations with them over the last 18 months including names, certified letters, and the paperwork from our most recent inspection which was 6 weeks ago....quote from an L&I official - "we are a beauracracy, we dont know what we are doing".........they said they are going to cite us for some electrical violations but said it would take a few days for them to get back to us....in the mean time they closed the club and evacuated everyone here except staff....during the visit we had a few issues with one officer in particular making inappropriate comments about the sexual orientation and gender status of a few of the gay and transgendered members at the club.....we intend to bring that up with Vice this week and already have the LGBT liason to the police dept working on it.......there were also some issues with us selling stuff on the 2nd floor...we have licenses to sell and all our tax info and that was shown to them also....they did not confiscate anything....no one was arrested....BDSM did not seem to be the issue and i was specifically told by an L&I official that they didnt care what we were doing there...they just wanted to make sure everyone was safe....duh...so do we!! L&I is trying to say we did not do what we were supposed to in notifying them and making sure we had a safe location....well we DID notify them before we ever opened, we got info on our certificate of occupancy and were told it was sufficient...we made appointments ....we got licenses...we sat here and waited for them to show up......we were inspected....we fixed the violations, which were all minor......we have acted in good faith....they on the other hand failed to train their staff...failed to supervise...failed to give us the right info....failed to show up for appts....failed to inspect properly....and now have interupted our business and are causing us financial harm..not only that but since when does L&I do an inspection with 30 law enforcement officers with guns drawn? Our records include the name of the L&I official i originally talked to who gave us the go ahead on our Certificate of Occupancy and explained how we were categorized, our inspection info from 2/02/02, receipt from a certified letter sent to Dominic Verdi, the head of L&I in February in reference to the club, copies of all our licenses to operate and do business in the state of pennsylvania and the city of philadelphia...plus we have a record of an L&I visit to the building in 1997 where no electrical problems are cited.....good thing i am anal and keep records of everything. as for Vice i know they have had undercover officers in the club in the past and found no problems...this was told to me by Sean Carr (former head of philly vice) in the summer....he also was quoted on the front page article in the daily news in july i believe as saying BTS was legal....he even agreed to come and do a community meeting here....he went to a training program in virginia during the summer and when he got back was transferred to the police training academy....Lt Greene took over and i talked to him as late as a month ago....he indicated to me there were no problems with the club....i also have continued my very good relationship with the 14th district police dept....they came by that night as everyone was leaving and had no idea what was going on. after about an hours inspection of the club which included a thorough drug sweep by the narcotics task force with guns drawn....everyone was asked to leave....the only person whose ID was asked for or whose name was taken was michaels since his name is on most of the paperwork with L&I......no one asked for club records (which arent kept at the club anyway).......they didnt want to confiscate our computers (which dont have any club info or passwords on them anyway...they just run the music and keep inventory of supplies)....they never really asked us any questions about what goes on at the club except they wanted to know who runs the massage concession....i explained that no one runs anything or gets paid for any services here....they were pretty bored except for lots of porn magazines to read (which they did) and many obzines were taken out with individual officers....several officers made a point of telling jeff on their way out they would like to come back (without L&I) and become members if they are still welcome. everyone was asked to leave the club except staff....we can have staff meetings at the building and we can have volunteers here to work on it....we just cant have parties till further notice (which i hope is wed) as for the neighbors...many have come down to tell us they support us....we have made their neighborhood safer and cleaner and they have no problem with what we do.....they have offered to go to community meetings and make phone calls and write letters for us....we also have several members including myself who are looking to purchase houses up the street, rehab them, and live here....if anything we are increasing the value of properties in this neighborhood and the city should be kissing our butts cause there arent that many people rushing to live here and invest in the community..... yesterday a few staff members covered the outside of the building with gay pride, leather pride, american, and dont tread on me liberty or death flags....we also covered the door with ACLU and NCSF information....i guess if we have to be out we might as well be all the way out. a few other notes; last week there was an article in the local paper (Germantown Courier) with a front page picture of the club....i sent this report to NCSF last week; on monday a local neighborhood paper ran an article on sex clubs moving into the neighborhood...i dont have the article and havent seen it yet....members who live in the neighborhood have read it to me and described it....the club picture is on the front page...but no address, name, or info on the club is in the article....mainly it talks about a house in a neighborhood down the street from the club someone is using as a sex party house complete with alcohol and dancers etc....the article is not well written and contains erroneous info although its all very subtle.....several neighbors came down today to the club including the block captain to tell us they were never interviewed for the article, dont agree with the article, have no problem with the club, would support the club if meetings are called, and to let them know what we need.....i am not sure what to do...ignore the article?....get letters sent in to the paper in support of us?....we are in good shape with the city but as you know the one thing that can take you down is neighborhood pressure put on politicians. then later the following was sent to ncsf also; well i spent the morning (thursday) in the office of state rep John Myers....talking to his aide Larry Simmons...i contacted him at the advice of the block captain who is on our side and likes us (and helps run a local speakeasy down the street)....when i told Larry i was the owner of the club on Amstrong St he invited me to come on down right then...very nice guy...i was accompanied by my partner Michael (who had been in his office months earlier talking about some business plans Michael had for the neighborhood)....Larry told me a long convoluted story so follow me here....the real issue isnt the sex clubs...its a halfway house for recovering drug addicts and alcoholics that someone wants to put in the neighborhood...the neighbors dont want it....the aide to rep Myers has been arguing with them about it for months ...he feels this is where it belongs because the people being sent there are FROM the neighborhood...recently he was at McDonalds and someone handed him a nice 4 color postcard for a sex club called The Dungeon.....a residential home about 4 blocks from my club (on the same block coincidentally that i am trying to buy a house to rehab and live in).....this club had a website and advertised sex with girls in private rooms, alcohol for sale, etc.....pretty ballsy...this Larry Simmons guy was on the phone asking the neighborhood group representative if he knew about the sex club on his block and he said sure...no problem there...well Larry was pretty pissed off....you have a problem with a halfway house but not with an illegal sex club?.....at the same time he had a friend visiting his office listening to this conversation and the friend asked him if he knew about the SM club on Armstrong St....Larry was like what SM Club?......the guy pulled out his BTS membership card and showed him and told him he was a member and a regular and that it was a very nice club.....Larry was like great now we have 2 sex clubs in the neighborhood, not knowing anything about the legal status of BTS at that point....when the neighborhood newspaper guy showed up to do a story on it he told them about the 2 clubs and what he knew and made comments to the effect that they would be doing what they could to close them down....the newspaper reporter guy actually came to the club last thursday night (i wasnt there)...we were open but we dont let anyone in who isnt a member or doesnt have a password indicating they have talked to me or gone thru the rules page on the website.....so the door person refused them entry.... the article had no info at all in it about BTS.....just our picture on the front page....the Larry Simmons guy told us he doesnt know what to do right now....he has no desire to go head to head with us....he has no legal reason to shut us down....many neighbors have called him to support us....he did ask us not to have anyone write letters to the editor of the paper....he seems to hope it will all die down....he asked if he could come by next week for a tour.... as far as my conversation with him....i felt i presented the whole SM thing very well....i didnt have alot of time to prepare and would you believe i had no NCSF brochures to give him (i will have AJ send me some right away).....i told him we had been there for 18 months, had all the proper licenses, had been inspected recently by the health dept and L&I and passed....that we had over 2700 members (he almost died when he heard that)....that many of our members lived in the neighborhood....that several more were hoping to move into the neighborhood and who the realtor was we were working with (he called her a few minutes after we left to check on this info)....i told him that there is a 500 member african american internet SM group in the city that meets in the club once a month (that also impressed him because there is a perception that we are an all white people thing)....i told him i do not support any SM club that breaks all the laws or has anything to do with alcohol and i hoped he saw the difference between us and them.....i told him about our front page article in the daily news in july and the quote from the head of the vice squad saying he knew about BTS and in his opinion we were totally legal......i framed us as a sexual minority, mentioning the old kinsey studies of 5 to 10% of the population engages in SM and the newer studies indicating that it might be even higher ....i mentioned many of our members are gay and transgendered (which is true) and that i had a responsibility to protect their safety also which is one of the reasons we keep a low profile (he REALLY got that in more ways than one)......i think i presented myself as intelligent and knowledgeable and articulate...and confident and friendly....he really liked michael also (he and michael are both retired army officers and disabled veterans).....i am hoping this is as far as all this will go. well so much for that effort....... back to the story at hand; i think this may all be related as both Dwight Evans and John Myers are local state reps. we have spent the weekend contacting people who can help us including politicians and lawyers....we are getting ALOT of support....people are flabbergasted this happened....it is so obviously a harrassment issue or else they made a huge mistake thinking they were going someplace where there were drugs and prostitutes running rampant....i mean they tried to figure out if selling merlins sword was a federal offense (i told them they could buy it at the mall but we sell it cheaper).....they asked what the coffin is for....someone should have told them its where we hide the bodies of the people we beat to death....they couldnt find an ounce of anything, not alcohol or drugs ....i even had to ask one officer not to smoke in the building...he was not happy....neither was i. Seems like some narrow minded political leader aka terrorist decided he doesnt agree with what we are doing and sent in suicide bombers to shut us down......well as the president said we are in a war to protect our freedoms and you are either with us or you are against us....... of course this is all about sex......if we were holding boxing matches that would be ok....joe frazier is a philly icon even though he made a living beating people to a pulp....we dont even hurt each other but because what we do is considered perverted by a few narrowminded morons we are a target and will be persecuted....when is Vice going to raid the catholic churches and root out the pedophiles?...why havent they confiscated the records at the dioscese offices and arrested the criminals who are sexually molesting our children?.....not to mention the criminals who are protecting them?........why are they harrassing consenting adults who have the right guaranteed by the constitution to express themselves and assemble peacefully....and IN PRIVATE!!!!!!...... they want a war...they got a war..... BTS has over 2700 members now.....lawyers, doctors, judges, grandmothers, plumbers, and housewives....educated tax paying citizens....there is alot of power in that and its time to weild it....even if many people have to stay in the closet there are more than enough who dont and can fight the battle for everyones benefit. goal #1 is to reopen asap....i am confident that is going to happen within days without too much screaming....if that happens we wont have to sue the city and we can go back to our quiet life....in the mean time we need phone calls made and letters written....the next email outlines that effort. to respond to this email either call me at the club at 215 438 1946 or email me at jrsygir1@aol.com Anna and Mike PLEASE NOTE; THIS EMAIL CAN BE REPOSTED...in fact you should repost it and send it to anyone who might help us.....just make sure you repost the whole thing. |
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whig
Join Date: Apr 2001
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well, waht cna i say? fight.
Sadly there will always been bigoted fools.
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Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 3,338
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Behind The Scenes
501 Armstrong St Phila Pa 19144 www.phillyfetish.com (the website is back up) 215 438 1946 btsphilly@aol.com ok so this is what i will be doing in the next few days....plus what i need other people to do to support us....if you call anyone or write letters be brief and to the point...dont give any info on anything you know about the club...dont talk about people or what goes on there specifically....just give your opinions and feelings and be really nice.....stress its a private club for consenting adults ...no alcohol is allowed....and everything is Safe, Sane and Consensual....if you send faxes or snail mail and you are comfortable with it put it on letterhead....you DO NOT have to use your real name....send me copies of anything you send that is written and let me know if you call anyone. so far i have talked to several individuals from several groups; Pennsylvania Lesbian and Gay Task Force ...i sent them an accounting of all that has happened and they have been a wealth of info for me. on monday i will contact Stacy Sobel and Tiffany Palmer from the Center for Lesbian and Gay Civil Rights looking for advice, action and possible legal help. I believe that is where Andrew Parks is also and he has already contacted me offering help. i am supposed to send a 2 line letter to Rep Myers and Rep Evans asking for clarification on whether the rumors were true that they gave the order to L&I to come to the club and find a reason to shut us down. you can help by writing letters to them or calling their offices expressing support for the club; Hon John Myers 5847 Germantown Ave Phila Pa 19144 215 849 6896 fax; 215 560 1824 Hon Dwight Evans 7174 Ogontz Ave Phila Pa 19138 215 549 0220 fax; 215 549 8965 i will contact Larry Frankel at the Pa ACLU on monday i will write a letter to Sylvester Johnston, Acting Police Commisioner, and Lt Greene, Vice Unit, detailing what we perceived as unacceptable negative attitudes from some of their officers directed at members of the club related to their status as a sexual minority....overall their officers were courteous and really should be thanked....we had a problem with a few of them and that will be dealt with....we will try and get them to participate in some sort of BDSM and sexual minority sensitivity program....does anyone know of one that other groups in other cities have used? i COULD file a complaint with Hector Soto , police civilian review committee however i am going to hold off on that until the LGBT liason to the police dept (who we met with today) meets with Officer Taino and discusses this issue. I will also hold off on filing a lawsuit until we hear from the liason. We will be meeting with a representative from Councilman DiCiccos office....i am trying to set up a meeting between us for tomorrow to discuss the L&I issue...DiCicco is the city council liason to L&I and also writing the transgendered legislation for the city and is considered LGBT friendly...the goal here is to get the club open without filing lawsuits asap. it is our contention that we have been in compliance with L&I and anything else they want us to do will be done but in the mean time we should be allowed to open and operate. if that doesnt get us open immediately we will file a lawsuit. the landlord wants to file a lawsuit against the city immediately to get us open.....i am supporting him in anything he wants to do as the landlord....he is working with us and will make sure violations are taken care of properly....he is also amenable to helping us out financially speaking as we cant really pay the bills right now if we arent open....however we are going to do everything we can to make sure he does get paid rent and utilities....he is an old man (sorry harold but you are older than God) and this building is his only income and he depends on it. we will contact L&I on tuesday (at their request) to find out what the violations are....if you are a licensed pa electrician we will need help with the permit and work....we have lots of volunteers to help with anything else that needs to be done....anyone who wants to help volunteer should contact the volunteer coordinator at beth@bethx.com i will be giving an interview with the Phila Inquirer and the Phila Daily News asap i will not be talking to anyone from the tv press unless they do a crappy report...they can read about us in the paper. i have been referred to several attorneys to see about getting representation; Hetznecker, Rudolfski and Kairys, Larry Krasner, Andi Erba and Gloria Guard...if you know any of these attorneys and can use your relationship with them to encourage them to help us pro bono please do. we need to write letters to the district attorneys office THANKING her for her progressive and enlightened attitude towards private members only sex positive clubs in the city that are operating legally...like BTS....and encouragng her to help enlighten other city officials. District Attorney Lynne Abraham 1421 Arch St Phila, Pa 19102 215 686 8000 fax 215 563 0047 da_webmail@phila.gov we need to encourage Councilman DiCicco to support BTS and allow us to reopen asap....mentioning that 40 gun toting law enforcement officials sent to check on wiring is overkill....and thanking him for supporting sexual minorities....tell him how important BTS is to you....that its our community center as well as a safe place for us .... Councilman Frank DiCicco City Hall Room 332 Phila, Pa 19107 215 686 3458 215 686 3459 fax 215 686 1931 We need to raise some money while we are closed to pay the bills we already have and the new ones we are about to have...donations can be sent to; BTS P O Box 150 Pennsauken, NJ 08110 you can use PayPal sent to btsphilly@aol.com if you want to have your donation be creditied towards a new membership or a Foundership we will do that....just let us know that....memberships are $50 per person for a lifetime membership....$35 per person if part of a couple or a member of another dues paying alternative lifestyle organization....$1000 for a Foundership which means you get into all BTS events free forever plus other perks. also dont forget we need to support NCSF (our raffle friday night got interrupted and we had great prizes too....we will continiue it when we reopen dont you worry).....become a member or send them a donation if you can....www.ncsfreedom.org if you see anything in the media please let me know right away if you hear anything on call in radio shows let me know right away and try and get the phone #....feel free to call in if you feel you can have a positive effect on the discussion. if you were at the club on friday night and heard or saw anything you feel i should know send me the info asap....especially if it pertains to how our members were treated. if you need to talk to me and its an emergency and you cant get thru on the club phone, call mikes cell phone at 609 760 1749 thanks guys ![]() Anna and Michael any other suggestions of things to do please let us know and by the way L&I means Licenses and Inspections and ATF is Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (none of which are allowed at the club) |
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Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Dallas, TX
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ok here is the final part of today's rant....from here on you will be able to
get info and updates only on the BTS website (www.phillyfetish.com) or from the BTS mailing list (www.yahoogroups.com/group/behindthescenes)...i dont want to burden the lists with news from BTS.....and i am too busy to monitor the lists so if you have something you want me to see or answer please email me directly...as always anything i post is available to be reposted anywhere you think it helps people without direct permission from me. ******************** This is from Michael my business partner, BTS partner, and life partner....he has only been with us a short time so not many people know him; My feelings I have no regrets over what I am doing or what I will continue to express. I am proud of Behind The Scenes and my function as part owner and loyal submissive to Anna. I have had to go through the motions over the past months about my public presence. I make no bones about it, I am Bisexual and partake in S&M play. My personal life has changed though. My family did not take well to my sexuality or even my support of it. My three year long divorce has taken a new turn as now my activities are public. I have lost most of my rights in that case. A call was made by someone angry with Anna to my Veterans of Forein Wars post outing me . They learned of my lifestyle. It was hard for me becuase my post is on the edge of bankruptcy, at the point of dissapearing, and now they had to deal with the fact that one of their members was openly Bisexual and in the S&M scene. For their betterment I have resigned my membership and hope that the issue will fade away for them. I have personally taken out loans to support BTS and ensure that there will be ways for the club to be self supporting someday through for-profit efforts. But I am a Retired Army Officer. From the day I put on the "Bars" I carried the Constitution in my side pocket. I used it to help me make desisions and guide me in handling myself and to remind me that I was only an instrument of the people of this country. That meant all people. I sat halfway around the world getting shot at because I represented a country that "in theory" had its freedom. I am now a civilian and am now reminded of the voices that must be heard no matter how small or distasteful. I am now active openly to support gay, bi, transgender voices. Everyone has a voice in this country. I am not going to sit by and let bigots, religious morons, racial hate, or misled police powers squelch these voices. I have my family here at BTS and they love me for who I am. Julius M Tarr CW2, USA (retired) *********************************** From Anna; i always knew this could happen....always thought someday it probably would....was sure that if it did it would be exactly how it went down (this was my 2nd raid...i was at KFE for my first and it was similiar although we had more guns drawn on us friday night)....all i could do to protect BTS was exactly what i did from the beginning....make every effort to be proactive with every city agency, the neighbors, the press...do everything legal....and have emergency plans as far as communications and aid.....i am proud of the way the volunteers and members handled themselves friday night...i am overwhelmed with all the supportive letters and phone calls and offers of help....i am particularly happy to see the local community, which has its share of infighting like every other community, putting aside personalities and coming together so quickly for the cause. i know there is no good time for this to happen but this is really one of the worst times for me to have to deal with this...as many of you know i am still married and have a 12 yr old at home ( my 19 yr old daughter was at the club friday night and was kept away from me by the police thru the whole ordeal till she went out thru the front door and snuck in thru the back).....my totally vanilla husband has continued to support me financially and emotionally as well as with the club thru the past years even though we arent really married in spirit anymore....we are actually moving in less than 3 weeks and my and michaels new house( i mean old house that needs to be totally rehabilitated) in philly isnt even ready yet so i will be continuing to live with my husband for the coming months in nj part time when i am not at the club....it has been my husbands financial support and michaels army pension that have made it possible to put so many hours into running the club ....we dont need real jobs to survive....anyone who thinks owning a BDSM club means we are rolling in cash should think again....we are carrying alot of personal debt for the club and work hard to pay the bills every month....add to that the amount of time it takes and the stress and aggravation, the attacks from the people you piss off....the flak from the decisions you make, the unforgiven mistakes, the lies and disinformation from people who will do anything to destroy you and its no wonder there arent more clubs out there....no good deed will go unpunished....and there is always that little feeling that tomorrow it could all be gone thru no fault of your own. i NEVER had that feeling friday night....i am sure if you were there you noticed how peaceful i seemed....and as everyone was being herded out and people were breaking thru the police line to come hug me goodbye and whisper their support in my ear i was filled with the feelings i have come to experience every weekend.....the same feelings i have gotten as i have read thru hundreds of emails from well wishers in the last few days ( i have answered every single one too).....its that feeling of being lifted up and knowing you will be taken care of by something very powerful....that the universe is right on schedule....that its not the building that is important but the people...the family.....the feelings they have for each other....i believe the club will be open in a few days but even if it isnt, the feelings and the family arent going to go away...we will open again somewhere else and do the whole thing all over again.....i started BTS from literally nothing and i know we can do it again. so BTS RAID PART 3 is about thanking you all for being part of the family even if you have never been to the club, but have extended and expressed those feelings to someone in our community at some place and time...and its about making sure everyone knows whats important in all this....the part they cant destroy no matter how hard they try. 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