Like father like son?

Catwoman · 07-13-2004, 11:14 AM

Didn't quite know where to put this, but a friend of mine has doubted all his life that his father is actually his biological father, because he looks nothing like him. He is dark skinned, slim and athletic whereas his father is stock, pale skinned and to use his words 'even has a different nose'.

What are the genetic chances of him being his father? Do father and son always look alike? He's looking for scientific evidence either way not reassurance.

Any ideas?

LabRat · 07-13-2004, 11:54 AM

looks mean nothing, a DNA parernity test is the only way to tell for certain. ala ricky lake. i dunno where you would go to have this done, or how much $$ it would cost. it would require fresh dna samples however from both interrested parties, usually inner cheek cells. good luck to them.

jinx · 07-13-2004, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Catwoman

Any ideas?

Ask his mother? Of course there's always the

possibility...

Beestie · 07-13-2004, 12:08 PM

Its an odd suspicion to have and there might be other reasons he is not consciously aware of for feeling this way in addition to the physical resemblance issue (things he may have heard or seen when he was young, for example).

Any word on what his mother or grandparents looked like? If any of the remaining five look anything like him, I'd calm down a little. If none do, I'd be googling for local DNA labs.

Tell your buddy to ask the lab if they can use a passive DNA sample (hair, fingernail clipping, etc.). Little tough to explain why he needs an inner cheek sample without giving up the real question.

Clodfobble · 07-13-2004, 12:21 PM

Perhaps he should consider that this doubt has almost certainly occurred to his father as well, and perhaps his father even knows something that he doesn't. Digging for the truth is one thing, but opening old wounds when it's not necessary is another. He should definitely keep this discreet.

That said, there are billboards in Texas proclaiming the immortal words: "Who's the father?? 1-800-DNA-TEST."

Beestie · 07-13-2004, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

That said, there are billboards in Texas proclaiming the immortal words: "Who's the father?? 1-800-DNA-TEST."

Top that, Kansas.

Catwoman · 07-14-2004, 03:14 AM

Hmm. Ok thanks for the advice. DNA test is not really an option, and yes I think there are emotional roots to the question - abandonment issues etc. as he never spent much time with him. Also forgot to mention he was born 4 weeks premature which could affect his body structure?? Looking really for examples of when fathers/sons have looked completely different and the genetic probability. Have googled but not having much success.

Cyber Wolf · 07-14-2004, 08:06 AM

If I had their pictures, I'd post a pair of cousins of mine and their parents. My first cousin (black) married a white lady. The girl looks like her mother, only with light cocoa skin and the boy, as features like noses and face shape go, only vaguely resembles his father, and even then you have to squint, tilt your head and look in the right light.

Clodfobble · 07-14-2004, 08:50 AM

Mixing races gets wacky. I had a friend whose mother was white with dark brown hair and father was black, and he came out completely pale-white-skinned, with freckles, and red hair--but the hair was the texture and coarseness of his dad's.

Being born 4 weeks premature wouldn't have much of an effect on his ultimate features, only possibly the healthiness of his organs. At any rate, does he even look like his mother? Perhaps he is adopted entirely and they chose not to tell him.

Pie · 07-14-2004, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Mixing races gets wacky. I had a friend whose mother was white with dark brown hair and father was black, and he came out completely pale-white-skinned, with freckles, and red hair--but the hair was the texture and coarseness of his dad's.

That is a common appearance for black/white mixed-race children. In fact, that is the origin of the phrase "red-headed stepchild" to indicate a not-quite-favorably looked upon family member, who always gets the short end of the stick.

- Pie, who likes red hair...

Catwoman · 07-14-2004, 09:39 AM

Did you know there is more genetic variation between a red-head and any other caucasion and a black person and a caucasian?

Beestie · 07-14-2004, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Catwoman

Did you know there is more genetic variation between a red-head and any other caucasion and a black person and a caucasian?

I didn't know for sure but I did have my suspicions after seeing THIS man:

LabRat · 07-14-2004, 10:20 AM

HIJACK

seen him twice, left both times barely able to breathe because my sides ached and cheeks cramped up.

HIJACK

jane_says · 07-18-2004, 10:30 PM

No help, but just wanted to add that it sounds like you're describing Dale and Joseph Gribble.

07-13-2004, 11:14 AM	#1
Catwoman stalking a Tom Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: on the edge of the english channel Posts: 1,000	Like father like son? Didn't quite know where to put this, but a friend of mine has doubted all his life that his father is actually his biological father, because he looks nothing like him. He is dark skinned, slim and athletic whereas his father is stock, pale skinned and to use his words 'even has a different nose'. What are the genetic chances of him being his father? Do father and son always look alike? He's looking for scientific evidence either way not reassurance. Any ideas? __________________ I've decided I'm not going to have a signature anymore.

07-13-2004, 11:54 AM	#2
LabRat twatfaced two legged bumhole Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,143	looks mean nothing, a DNA parernity test is the only way to tell for certain. ala ricky lake. i dunno where you would go to have this done, or how much $$ it would cost. it would require fresh dna samples however from both interrested parties, usually inner cheek cells. good luck to them. __________________ Strength does not come from how much weight you can lift, or how many miles you can run. It comes from knowing that you set a goal, and rose to the challenge. Strength comes from within.

07-13-2004, 12:08 PM	#4
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	Its an odd suspicion to have and there might be other reasons he is not consciously aware of for feeling this way in addition to the physical resemblance issue (things he may have heard or seen when he was young, for example). Any word on what his mother or grandparents looked like? If any of the remaining five look anything like him, I'd calm down a little. If none do, I'd be googling for local DNA labs. Tell your buddy to ask the lab if they can use a passive DNA sample (hair, fingernail clipping, etc.). Little tough to explain why he needs an inner cheek sample without giving up the real question. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

07-14-2004, 03:14 AM	#7
Catwoman stalking a Tom Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: on the edge of the english channel Posts: 1,000	Hmm. Ok thanks for the advice. DNA test is not really an option, and yes I think there are emotional roots to the question - abandonment issues etc. as he never spent much time with him. Also forgot to mention he was born 4 weeks premature which could affect his body structure?? Looking really for examples of when fathers/sons have looked completely different and the genetic probability. Have googled but not having much success. __________________ I've decided I'm not going to have a signature anymore.

07-14-2004, 08:06 AM	#8
Cyber Wolf As stable as a ring of PU-239 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: On a huge rock covered in water, highly advanced moss and 7 billion parasites Posts: 1,264	If I had their pictures, I'd post a pair of cousins of mine and their parents. My first cousin (black) married a white lady. The girl looks like her mother, only with light cocoa skin and the boy, as features like noses and face shape go, only vaguely resembles his father, and even then you have to squint, tilt your head and look in the right light. __________________ "I don't see what's so triffic about creating people as people and then getting' upset 'cos they act like people." ~Adam Young, Good Omens "I don't see why it matters what is written. Not when it's about people. It can always be crossed out." ~Adam Young, Good Omens

07-13-2004, 12:21 PM	#5
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Perhaps he should consider that this doubt has almost certainly occurred to his father as well, and perhaps his father even knows something that he doesn't. Digging for the truth is one thing, but opening old wounds when it's not necessary is another. He should definitely keep this discreet. That said, there are billboards in Texas proclaiming the immortal words: "Who's the father?? 1-800-DNA-TEST."

07-14-2004, 08:50 AM	#9
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Mixing races gets wacky. I had a friend whose mother was white with dark brown hair and father was black, and he came out completely pale-white-skinned, with freckles, and red hair--but the hair was the texture and coarseness of his dad's. Being born 4 weeks premature wouldn't have much of an effect on his ultimate features, only possibly the healthiness of his organs. At any rate, does he even look like his mother? Perhaps he is adopted entirely and they chose not to tell him.

07-14-2004, 09:39 AM	#11
Catwoman stalking a Tom Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: on the edge of the english channel Posts: 1,000	Did you know there is more genetic variation between a red-head and any other caucasion and a black person and a caucasian? __________________ I've decided I'm not going to have a signature anymore.

07-14-2004, 10:20 AM	#13
LabRat twatfaced two legged bumhole Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,143	HIJACK seen him twice, left both times barely able to breathe because my sides ached and cheeks cramped up. HIJACK __________________ Strength does not come from how much weight you can lift, or how many miles you can run. It comes from knowing that you set a goal, and rose to the challenge. Strength comes from within.

07-18-2004, 10:30 PM	#14
jane_says Colonist Extraordinaire Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: SW VA Posts: 200	No help, but just wanted to add that it sounds like you're describing Dale and Joseph Gribble.

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