Autopsy Report: Schiavo Did Not Starve To Death

Troubleshooter · 06-15-2005, 10:42 AM

http://www.theneworleanschannel.com/...10240206152005

No Sign Of Neck Trauma Found

POSTED: 5:15 pm CDT June 14, 2005
UPDATED: 10:35 am CDT June 15, 2005

TAMPA, Fla. -- An autopsy concluded that Terri Schiavo did not suffer any trauma before her 1990 collapse.

A medical examiner sayid there was no evidence of strangulation or other trauma leading to the collapse of the woman who became the focus of a right-to-die dispute.

The autopsy also found that her brain was about half of normal size when she died.

Schiavo lapsed into a vegetative state 15 years earlier after her heart stopped beating for several minutes. Some experts testified during a trial that her condition was brought on by a severe chemical imbalance brought on by an eating disorder.

Her family has accused her husband of abusing her, which he denies. They also said she was minimally conscious and wanted to know if the autopsy report backs that.

Schiavo is the 41-year-old brain-damaged woman who died March 31, nearly two weeks after the feeding tube that kept her alive was removed under court order. That ended a bitter legal battle between her husband and her parents, who wanted to keep her alive. He had argued she never wanted to be kept alive by a tube.

There was an intense national debate over removal of her feeding tube.

The medical examiner, Jon Thogmartin, said Wednesday that no trauma was noted on any of the numerous exams in the days after, weeks after or months after the collapse. No evidence of strangulation was found and her heart was normal. She died of "marked dehydration," she did not starve to death, Thogmartin said. He said she suffered no neglect or abuse. He also said she did not appear to have suffered a heart attack.

Thogmartin said it is possible that caffeine contributed to her collapse because she drank up to one gram of caffeine daily, which was because of the amount of tea she consumed. He said that an eating disorder may not have caused her collapse.

The examiner said that Schiavo got severe osteoporosis after her collapse. He said her bones became "palpably soft" after the collapse.

Thogmartin said her brain was "profoundly atrophied" -- and that the damage was "irreversable." He also said, "The vision centers of her brain were dead" -- meaning she was blind. He said no amount of therapy could have reversed her condition.

Bobby Schindler said the family still has not been told about plans for his sister's cremated remains.

Michael Schiavo has said he will bury them at his family's cemetery in Pennsylvania, but it is unknown whether that has occurred. Michael's brother, Brian Schiavo, said plans for the services are still pending.

lookout123 · 06-15-2005, 10:58 AM

let's get the protesters together, i bet she can still recover. call hannity.

Troubleshooter · 06-15-2005, 11:01 AM

Dammit...

Radar · 06-15-2005, 12:13 PM

Michael Shiavo is vindicated and her parents are proven to be morons. All who tried to intervene are assholes.

Happy Monkey · 06-15-2005, 12:43 PM

How much Diet Dr Pepper do you need to drink to get a gram of caffeine?

Troubleshooter · 06-15-2005, 01:00 PM

Old but still topical:

http://coffeefaq.com/caffaq.html

Cup of coffee 90-150mg
Instant coffee 60-80mg
Tea 30-70mg
Mate 25-150mg
Cola 30-45mg
Chocolate bar 30mg
Stay-awake pill 100mg
Vivarin 200mg
Cold relief tablet 30mg

warch · 06-15-2005, 01:07 PM

+ vintage caffine diet pills?

wolf · 06-15-2005, 01:27 PM

So I'm taking in between 450 and 750 mg/day.

I probably shouldn't have figured that out.

Shit, wait, probably twice that. They likely mean 8 ounce cup rather than a "mug" or "trough," which is how I customarily have it served.

Undertoad · 06-15-2005, 01:34 PM

She was in the habit of drinking 10-15 glasses of iced tea each day.

warch · 06-15-2005, 02:03 PM

The Nestea Plunge.

headsplice · 06-15-2005, 02:18 PM

That is a mess of iced tea.
I wonder how much, including the caffeine relatives like taurine and such, is in an 'energy drink' like Red Bull. I know people that drink two or three of those a day. Oy.

cowhead · 06-15-2005, 02:45 PM

damn.... does this mean if I keep drinking as much coffee as I do I can finally die!.. although I have to agree with Radar. well spoken.

wolf · 06-16-2005, 12:33 AM

I strongly suspect that the problem was not the caffiene, but rather then overall amount of liquid she was consuming ... tends to wash the electrolytes and potassium out of the bloodstream and your body starts shutting down.

Water intoxication.

I think we've discussed that here somewhere before ... here

Rock Steady · 06-16-2005, 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf

So I'm taking in between 450 and 750 mg/day.

I probably shouldn't have figured that out.

Shit, wait, probably twice that. They likely mean 8 ounce cup rather than a "mug" or "trough," which is how I customarily have it served.

Yeah, in the category of you don't want to know how they make sausage.

from the previous link: a 7 oz cup of coffee Drip 115-175mg

I make about 4 of these a day for myself: Espresso 100mg 1 serving (1.5-2oz)

wolf · 06-16-2005, 12:58 AM

We used to have an espresso machine at work. Then somebody broke the little pot, which was okay, because you can brew straight into your mug ... but then they remodelled the office and the espresso machine went missing, along with the very nice stereo. And the spare Krups Coffee Grinder.

06-15-2005, 10:42 AM	#1
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Autopsy Report: Schiavo Did Not Starve To Death http://www.theneworleanschannel.com/...10240206152005 No Sign Of Neck Trauma Found POSTED: 5:15 pm CDT June 14, 2005 UPDATED: 10:35 am CDT June 15, 2005 TAMPA, Fla. -- An autopsy concluded that Terri Schiavo did not suffer any trauma before her 1990 collapse. A medical examiner sayid there was no evidence of strangulation or other trauma leading to the collapse of the woman who became the focus of a right-to-die dispute. The autopsy also found that her brain was about half of normal size when she died. Schiavo lapsed into a vegetative state 15 years earlier after her heart stopped beating for several minutes. Some experts testified during a trial that her condition was brought on by a severe chemical imbalance brought on by an eating disorder. Her family has accused her husband of abusing her, which he denies. They also said she was minimally conscious and wanted to know if the autopsy report backs that. Schiavo is the 41-year-old brain-damaged woman who died March 31, nearly two weeks after the feeding tube that kept her alive was removed under court order. That ended a bitter legal battle between her husband and her parents, who wanted to keep her alive. He had argued she never wanted to be kept alive by a tube. There was an intense national debate over removal of her feeding tube. The medical examiner, Jon Thogmartin, said Wednesday that no trauma was noted on any of the numerous exams in the days after, weeks after or months after the collapse. No evidence of strangulation was found and her heart was normal. She died of "marked dehydration," she did not starve to death, Thogmartin said. He said she suffered no neglect or abuse. He also said she did not appear to have suffered a heart attack. Thogmartin said it is possible that caffeine contributed to her collapse because she drank up to one gram of caffeine daily, which was because of the amount of tea she consumed. He said that an eating disorder may not have caused her collapse. The examiner said that Schiavo got severe osteoporosis after her collapse. He said her bones became "palpably soft" after the collapse. Thogmartin said her brain was "profoundly atrophied" -- and that the damage was "irreversable." He also said, "The vision centers of her brain were dead" -- meaning she was blind. He said no amount of therapy could have reversed her condition. Bobby Schindler said the family still has not been told about plans for his sister's cremated remains. Michael Schiavo has said he will bury them at his family's cemetery in Pennsylvania, but it is unknown whether that has occurred. Michael's brother, Brian Schiavo, said plans for the services are still pending. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

06-15-2005, 10:58 AM	#2
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	let's get the protesters together, i bet she can still recover. call hannity. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

06-15-2005, 11:01 AM	#3
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Dammit... __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

06-15-2005, 12:13 PM	#4
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Michael Shiavo is vindicated and her parents are proven to be morons. All who tried to intervene are assholes. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

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06-15-2005, 01:00 PM	#6
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Old but still topical: http://coffeefaq.com/caffaq.html Cup of coffee 90-150mg Instant coffee 60-80mg Tea 30-70mg Mate 25-150mg Cola 30-45mg Chocolate bar 30mg Stay-awake pill 100mg Vivarin 200mg Cold relief tablet 30mg __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

06-15-2005, 01:07 PM	#7
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	+ vintage caffine diet pills?

06-15-2005, 01:27 PM	#8
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	So I'm taking in between 450 and 750 mg/day. I probably shouldn't have figured that out. Shit, wait, probably twice that. They likely mean 8 ounce cup rather than a "mug" or "trough," which is how I customarily have it served. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

06-15-2005, 01:34 PM	#9
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	She was in the habit of drinking 10-15 glasses of iced tea each day.

06-15-2005, 02:03 PM	#10
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	The Nestea Plunge.

06-15-2005, 02:18 PM	#11
headsplice Relaxed Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 676	That is a mess of iced tea. I wonder how much, including the caffeine relatives like taurine and such, is in an 'energy drink' like Red Bull. I know people that drink two or three of those a day. Oy. __________________ Don't Panic

06-15-2005, 02:45 PM	#12
cowhead halve your cake and eat it too. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Georgia.. by way of Lawrence Kansas Posts: 1,359	damn.... does this mean if I keep drinking as much coffee as I do I can finally die!.. although I have to agree with Radar. well spoken. __________________ no my child.. this is not my desire..I'm digging for fire.

06-16-2005, 12:33 AM	#13
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I strongly suspect that the problem was not the caffiene, but rather then overall amount of liquid she was consuming ... tends to wash the electrolytes and potassium out of the bloodstream and your body starts shutting down. Water intoxication. I think we've discussed that here somewhere before ... here __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

06-16-2005, 12:58 AM	#15
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	We used to have an espresso machine at work. Then somebody broke the little pot, which was okay, because you can brew straight into your mug ... but then they remodelled the office and the espresso machine went missing, along with the very nice stereo. And the spare Krups Coffee Grinder. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

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