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Different perspective on America's outsourcing
I can't provide the link to this story because I don't have the ability provide a prospectus here on line. But this is the whole article, unedited. I include the author's short bio with only his company name edited out.
Anyway, I thought some cellarites would find this interesting. With outsourcing issues again in the news, this discussion revisits the evidence from a different angle than previously. An earlier discussion (entitled, "Outsourcing / Off Shoring") examined the issue from the point of view of wage differentials and productivity. It concluded: (1) Because the United States has a high standard of living and a high wage structure, this country has long faced the challenge of inexpensive foreign labor. (2) The United States has increased its standard of living despite this challenge through rapid productivity growth to warrant its high wages and ongoing product innovation. (3) Most of the jobs lost to offshore activities probably would have lost to technology and innovation anyway, even in the absence of this foreign competition. This discussion takes a straightforward statistical approach to the question. By comparing the job losses by industry with swings in domestic demand, it shows that outsourcing overseas and foreign competition generally has played a relatively small role in America’s labor market during this recent period and is certainly not the threat to the economic recovery or the nation’s well being that many in the media have suggested. Where the Jobs Were Lost An examination of detailed jobs data by professional groups since the stock market bubble burst yields some surprising results that fly in the face of conventional wisdom. To be sure, production workers have suffered the greatest setback during this time, with job losses approaching 1.9 million. That fact has been well advertised in the media. What is unusual is that the second largest group to suffer losses in this period is management. The Bureau of Labor Statistics indicates that junior, middle and senior management positions fell by 1.1 million, proportionally far more than job losses in the production areas. Many other areas, such as business and financial services, health care, education, food preparation, personal care and social sciences, actually saw increases. Of the rest, the only categories that saw significant losses were office support and transportation, and these losses for the entire period registered less than 250,000 in the first case and barely 100,000 in the second. Examining the job loss data by industry instead of professional group confirms that the greatest losses have been in manufacturing, which lost about 900,000 jobs a year on average during this time. The only other significant losses occurred in wholesale and retail trade and professional and business services, each with a loss of a bit over 200,000 jobs a year on average, and information, with a loss of about 150,000 a year. But though manufacturing suffered the most, the shock of change was greater in these other areas. After all, manufacturing lost some 500,000 jobs on balance through the 1990s. The drop since 2000 is much more severe, but the difference is one of degree, not kind. By contrast, the professional and business area and wholesale and retail area both suffered abrupt reversals of fortune. The former gained almost 6 million jobs on balance during the decade of the 1990s, while the latter gained some 3 million jobs before suffering the reverses since 2000. Natural resources, construction, utilities and transportation showed negligible losses after only modest gains in the 1990s, while government, leisure, financial, education and health care showed gains quite comparable to the 1990s. Government and health care even accelerated. Foreign Influences Before laying all the blame for job losses at the feet of foreign competition, it helps to consider the independent jobs effect of the mild recession suffered in the United States and slow recovery during most of this time up until last year. To do that this analysis compares jobs losses by industry with the pattern of domestic demand in that industry. Job losses in excess of domestic demand shortfalls could at least have a foreign root. This kind of statistical game is far from fool proof, of course. Outsized productivity gains, for instance, might bring greater job losses than any declines in domestic activity would seem to demand, while sub-par productivity gains might understate the losses that poor domestic demand would otherwise occasion. But such comparisons can yield at least broad-brush indications that give a sense of where and if outsourcing or other forms of foreign competition might have had a role. On this admittedly crude basis, the worst effects of outsourcing and trade would seem to lie in two industries that are seldom singled out in this regard, chemical products and plastics. In chemicals, domestic demand growth would seem to have supported expanding payrolls. Since 2000, activity in the domestic chemicals industry increased by some 10 percent, in fact. But payrolls in this area have actually dropped by some 17 percent during this time. In plastics, the domestic situation would seem to explain job losses of about 5 percent, but the industry actually shed about 15 percent of its jobs during this time. Some of these job losses surely reflect the tremendous productivity advances registered among chemical products and plastics producers, but much also must reflect inroads from imports and outsourcing. By contrast, the worst hit part of manufacturing, computers and electronic products, shows little foreign effect. This sector’s nearly 30 percent aggregate job losses mesh entirely with the drop in domestic demand during this time. The steep loss of jobs here fits with perceptions of the tech bust and needs no recourse to trade or outsourcing to explain it. Comparisons for other sectors suggest a mix of influences with slow domestic demand as the larger influence, usually by far. Jobs in machinery, for instance, fell by about 21 percent during this time. About 18 percent of that drop has a ready explanation in the behavior of demand to domestic U.S. producers. Textiles and mill products lost jobs at about a 29 percent rate for the whole period. Of that amount, sub-par demand to U.S. producers answers for about 23 percent of the drop. Apparel, often singled out as most vulnerable to foreign competition, actually seems to have gained ground during this time. The slow domestic situation that prevailed through most of this time would have justified job losses of some 45 percent. As it is, the industry lost 40 percent of its jobs. Clearly, there were some gains here against foreign competition. The jobs losses here have still been a horrific strain on those involved, but less than the domestic situation would have demanded by itself. This unique comparison in no way implies that no jobs in apparel were lost to imports or outsourcing during this time. On the contrary, anecdotal evidence suggests the opposite. These statistical comparisons only suggest that gains against foreign competition in some areas of the apparel business more than made up the losses in other areas. Looking Forward It would help complete the picture here to go on beyond manufacturing to continue the comparisons for services but, unfortunately, such data is not available. Still the manufacturing data make a strong case that only a small part of the job losses to date reflect foreign competition and, as a consequence, it is reasonable to expect the continued economic recovery to restore at least the bulk of the jobs lost during this time. These new jobs will not be in the same areas of their industries and probably will not fill the same functions in the same ways. But as the earlier analysis concluded, the popular notion that foreign competition will undermine American growth and prosperity is overstated to say the least. Milton Ezrati, Partner and Senior Economic Strategist forXXXXXXXXXX, has been widely published in a wide variety of newspapers, magazines, and scholarly journals, including The New York Times, The Financial Times, The Asian Wall Street Journal, The Christian Science Monitor and Foreign Affairs, on a broad spectrum of investment management topics. Prior to joining XXXXXXX, Mr. Ezrati was senior vice president and head of investing in the Americas for Nomura Asset Management where he helped direct investment strategies for both equity and fixed-income investment management. The opinions in the preceding commentary of Milton Ezrati, Partner, Senior Economic Strategist, are as of the date of publication, are subject to change and may not reflect his current views. This material represents his assessment of the market environment at a specific point in time, should not be relied upon by the reader as investment advice, for which a Financial Advisor should be consulted, and is not intended to predict or depict performance of any investment.
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First the loss of manufacturing jobs. These were good paying jobs and the people that held them, traditionally spent their money which kept a lot of others employed. The other is the loss of faith, by the great unwashed in business, thanks to ENRON and their ilk. And in Governments fiscal policy of blowing sums of money, we can't even comprehend. After all, much of capitalism runs on faith. ![]()
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Ah well, you know me, "tooo much ti-me on ma hands..." So I googled the Bureau of Labor Statistics http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf and came up with some tidbits of my own which I carefully jotted down to share with you.
As of most recent yearly quarter ending in August 2004 Decrease in real hourly compensation: -.2% to -2.3% depending on job class from the last quarter which also showed decreases which also showed decreases, etc. Index of manufacturing growth: 11.3 - down from 33.3 four years ago when Bush first took office. Employment in textile mills, textile related mills and garment industry: down -.3, -.6, and -1.9 percent respectively from the quarter before which also showed losses from the quarter before ad infinitum. Why your guy is so rosey about the clothing industry beats me, but he did mention the word "anecdotal" so go figure. Unemployment in the financial sector: 2.3% Unemployment in the production sector: 6.8% - nearly triple the above Anyhow, I thought some cellurites might find this interesting. (Just playing the role of the "loyal opposition" - nothing personal, Lookout. ![]() |
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The trouble with most of these numbers is they're based on Unemployment Insurance. When your benefits run out, or take another job at 1/3 your former pay, you drop off the screen.
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i have absolutely no interest in being an economist so i won't go do all the research on my own. but i think it is important to realize that individuals like Ezrati have no reason to twist numbers for political purposes. it is absolutely crucial that his information be correct. they are running $84B machine based in large part on this individual (and others) see as the direction of the economy. i would trust this type of source to a far greater degree than any government source.
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Software and information technology have lost jobs; these particular figures are merely too coarse to show that, lumping everything together into business and professional services.
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but to be clear - no one is saying that we are in a market boom period. we are, however, in a bull market. Quote:
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Thank you for clarifying those things for me. Everything you said actually made perfect sense to me. WOW!
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